John Deere 9620RX vs CASE QT 620

[Mac10]

Pluses from brief 9RX demo -

-Good visibility of front tracks for when squeezing through gaps on road.
-Implement visibility better for lack of light/marker board bar on rear.
-All round ventilation.
-Prefer flat cab glass, in certain light conditions its annoying in concave QT cab seeing the reflection of what is behind the tractor in the front windscreen.

Downsides
-Found noisier than QT
-The price on the bonnet!

 

[Clive]

There are countries out there that will use them to pull their dd seeder.

For now yes

But I doubt their relevance anywhere when field operations are being done by robots

It's not as far away as we all think either - to begin I guess many of these machines will convert and cab will get replaced by a big computer etc

 

[bluegreen]

I cant help feeling if the Quadtrac was a JD machine and the 9RX was a new competitor by CASE then the interest to swap brands away from Deere would be considerably less

 

[Iben]

For now yes

But I doubt their relevance anywhere when field operations are being done by robots

It's not as far away as we all think either - to begin I guess many of these machines will convert and cab will get replaced by a big computer etc

For sure that is the way it's going. But will they use smaller, less powerful machines?

A lot of places still use these machines for sowing 24hrs a day as timeliness is often essential. I.e, before a rain event so they can get a chit.

 

[Clive]

For sure that is the way it's going. But will they use smaller, less powerful machines?

A lot of places still use these machines for sowing 24hrs a day as timeliness is often essential. I.e, before a rain event so they can get a chit.

When you have no driver cost or limitations I guess it makes little difference if you have multiple small or single big machines

Apart from weight that is and if you get rid of weight you get rid of need for cultivation

 

[Gav]

It would be nice too hear the opinions of an operator who has driven both at length and who doesn't have any brand loyalty..............It would appear that the impressive looking Deere 9RX isn't the utopia that some were predicting. Therefore if you have good dealers of both brands, it will come down to whos offering the best deal I guess.
Still lots of Quads round here, haven't seen any RXs yet, but I guess there about somewhere.

There's an RX working not too far away from you at all so you should see it sooner or later.

 

[bluegreen]

Yes Gav, I hear Walderseys have traded in their 3 yr old two track 9560 for one............I said at the time it arrived they were just being snobs by not having a CASE QT instead.............And sure enough as soon as theres a Deere badge on a four track they cant trade in the old two track fast enough...............Anyway I look forward to seeing it.

I was told about Walderseys RX yesterday by a lad who works for another huge local farmer. His mob are considering an 9RX as well, but are no doubt a little concerned over JD gearbox reliability given that their on their third 8RT in 5 years, and all of them have had gearbox failure apparently!! In fact they have just added a Challenger 700E to the fleet due to its powershift gearbox, and are hoping it will be more dependable than the RTs.
I should point out in fairness that the farm has a few wheeled JD 8Rs that are doing very well and are highly regarded.............And their 5 season old QT hasn't been without issues either, mind you it ploughs up 4000+ acres between October and Xmas in some really tough conditions, so it is a well proven beastie

Is the 9RX gearbox similar to the 8RTs or is it something new?

 

[Simon Chiles]

For now yes

But I doubt their relevance anywhere when field operations are being done by robots

It's not as far away as we all think either - to begin I guess many of these machines will convert and cab will get replaced by a big computer etc

What about the guys who came to see me yesterday, they farm 11,000 ha. At the moment they are ploughing it with 8000 series Deeres. If it were me I'd be replacing them with 3 450 Hp tractors and 12 m 1860 seeders and aim to slap 400 ha in a day regardless of whether there was or wasn't a driver in the seat although I'd be running them on triples rather than tracks. If you think of the money you saved per year in diesel and wearing parts and then stuck a 0 on the end it makes you think. It certainly made me think that when these guys get their act together how we ( as in the UK ) are going to compete on the global market.

 

[Clive]

What about the guys who came to see me yesterday, they farm 11,000 ha. At the moment they are ploughing it with 8000 series Deeres. If it were me I'd be replacing them with 3 450 Hp tractors and 12 m 1860 seeders and aim to slap 400 ha in a day regardless of whether there was or wasn't a driver in the seat although I'd be running them on triples rather than tracks. If you think of the money you saved per year in diesel and wearing parts and then stuck a 0 on the end it makes you think. It certainly made me think that when these guys get their act together how we ( as in the UK ) are going to compete on the global market.

if they were eastern European I don't think we need worry too much re competing, that fear has been around for years and they still haven't got their act together

Truth is these countries are seriously capital limited and I don't see that changing fast

does make you think though !

 

[Simon Chiles]

if they were eastern European I don't think we need worry too much re competing, that fear has been around for years and they still haven't got their act together

Truth is these countries are seriously capital limited and I don't see that changing fast

does make you think though !

Not Eastern Europeans and whilst they didn't show me their bank balance I got the district impression they weren't short of cash. I've done lots of farm walks, even by the coach load at times but this was the first one by chauffeur driven limo.

 

[Clive]

Not Eastern Europeans and whilst they didn't show me their bank balance I got the district impression they weren't short of cash. I've done lots of farm walks, even by the coach load at times but this was the first one by chauffeur driven limo.

it's only cash that limits a lot of countries with these huge land assets, It's hard for us to imagine how it works out there but there is Zero credit, I mean to the point that you have to hand the train or truck driver a bag of cash before he will unload your N etc. Even what seems like a lot of cash or government money to us goes nowhere when you are trying to crop the vast areas that some of these guys are

 

[Brisel]

Not Eastern Europeans and whilst they didn't show me their bank balance I got the district impression they weren't short of cash. I've done lots of farm walks, even by the coach load at times but this was the first one by chauffeur driven limo.

Their return on capital employed in farming is far better than most UK units! Might have something to do with a lower land cost and less regulation...

 

[Iben]

Their return on capital employed in farming is far better than most UK units! Might have something to do with a lower land cost and less regulation...

That depends on who you speak to!

 

[Brisel]

One near me,all good reports from this season so far

The owner of that 9RX is a member of TFF, though not a prolific poster. He lent it to Smarts for their cultivations demo day the week before last. I think he's happy enough with it so far.

I'm slightly with Clive here. I'm trying to put less energy into the soil now but If I had some 1000 acre fields I'd want a big no till drill that needed a few horses to pull it.

 

[Iben]

That's what it comes down to in the end isn't it?

Which is less energy a ha? 240hp pulling a 6m direct drill or a 500hp pulling a 15m plus huge seed cart, fill twice a day.

 

[Brisel]

Over here, the Quad or 9RX is pulling a 6m tillage train then a press then an 8m cultivator drill. That's a lot more energy!

 

[Iben]

Over here, the Quad or 9RX is pulling a 6m tillage train then a press then an 8m cultivator drill. That's a lot more energy!

So there will always be a need for these big machines?

Will be interesting to see which way it goes, when I started farming, (which wasn't that long ago) 200hp was about as big as most manufacturers catered for. Now it is just a trailer/sprayer tractor. By the time my kids grow up, a quad/9rx type thing could be every day occurrence. Or as clive suggests, it will be much smaller autonomous vehicles. Who knows?

Certainly well away from original post. Don't know anything about the drivability of either machine and are nowhere on the radar for my business.

 

[D14]

Unless the likes of john deere and cross slot are going to make very small seeders to operate on small robots then the idea the fields will be full of extremely small 'armies' of machines is a bit far fetched really. Clearly keeping off the soil is best so the lighter the equipment the better but taking seeders as an example they need a certain amount of pressure to on the coulter to get the seed into the ground. So if there was such a thing as a 750a drill with 4 coulters being pulled by a ride on mower sized autonomous tractor then how would it get the required pressure to get the coulter into the ground and where would it carry enough seed to avoid multiple trips to a filling point which in its own right would create compaction due to excessive passes.

In my view the likes of the quad track are here to stay but probably without a cab as it will be controlled from an office somewhere. They will stay in place because of their ability to cover ground quickly so if farms are to get larger then so will equipment so a 1000hp quad track towing a 24m john deere 750a is well within the realms of possibility because that single unit could seed 10,000 acres on its own.

 

[laustin956]

Found this Yesterday

 

[Simon Chiles]

So there will always be a need for these big machines?.

The guys who came to see me on Saturday had 500 ha fields, even with a big drill and 600 Hp it would take several days to plant. They were desperate for autonomous tractor but I can't see them wanting a fleet of 60 Hp tractors. Here in sunny Surrey with 5 ha fields you still need someone to find who's car it is blocking your gateway, I've had to ask 4 just today so I think autonomy is a long way off here.