Judge's seminar

[Roy Stokes]

They didnt seem to, the trailer plough chap had a real wet hole on one end of his split, and as such the whole outfit sunk and gave him a large front furrow for a few feet. Judge said he only judges what he can see despite knowing the reason behind the large front furrow.

Trouble is Chris, if you make allowances for poor areas in the plot you might well end up with a winning plot that looks worse than the other top 3 or so plots, there is no fairer way than judge what you see and forget who its is on the seat and what they have to plough.

 

[bobk]

Trouble is Chris, if you make allowances for poor areas in the plot you might well end up with a winning plot that looks worse than the other top 3 or so plots, there is no fairer way than judge what you see and forget who its is on the seat and what they have to plough.

I see your logic , but it;s 10x harder to plough a bad field compared to a good un .

 

[Roy Stokes]

But the best ploughmen get the best land ime , that's not luck .

How do you work that one out, at many matches you are allocated the plot number as you book in, you or the organisers have no control over it, at some matches you draw numbers from a hat, the fairest way there is.

Not always! Richard Ingram had a terrible plot a week or two ago at North Notts, thought I was in with a chance! He still won! I do think it's luck of the draw, have had good and had very bad ones, sure it all evens out at the end of the day!!

My plot ran out on to the top headland and i had to deal with where the sprayer had arced in but no moaning from me, I did my best and came 2nd, such is life, some you win, some you don't

 

[Roy Stokes]

I see your logic , but it;s 10x harder to plough a bad field compared to a good un .

quite correct Bob, but the really seasoned top men can still pull it out of the bag when things are against them, as quoted by Chris just now

 

[wuddy]

Right Mr dealer.
You have made two disparaging remarks. I agree its often that I state what should be done, and, as my scores at a local seminar were very close to those given by the master judges, I feel that I am not far wrong in this,I am after all trying to improve things.
I am first to admit that yesterday was a complete disaster, and the work a disgrace.In my defence, I would mention that I was trying out one new (to me) idea, which did show promise. The rest of the time, however I was trying to find the cause of a problem in the uniformaty of the work, this only shows on some land, but yesterday was a prime example.
To be honest, this was a mistake, but hindsight is a wonderful thing! I ran out of both energy and time, to which can be added incentive to continue, no doubt, you will find the last to your satisfaction, as it seems to agree with your above comments!
Perhaps, when you take the time, and make the effort to drive three hours(round trip) and work hard all day just to give people something to pick holes in, you will be qualified to make such comments, remember, without the demonstrators, you would have no seminars to attend.

Can I just ask how many “experts” were at the seminar and did any of them offer any kind of assistance to help you sort out the problem you were having?

 

[Ley253]

There were four of the top judges, and they did try, but they had their hands full with trainees, there were fifty I believe. As it turns out, the fault which triggered the meltdown was a twisted front leg, which explains why nothing I tried worked.Leg is, in fact still twisted, but a large piece of metal inserted between leg and frog has brought things back into line. I will try the plough locally on Sat, and if all is well, remove the metal spacer, and build the leg up with weld, and machine to make the repair lasting.
Share point should be about an inch to land, on Sat, the front on my plough was an inch and a half to work!
With any luck, I should be able to go back to that site W/E after next, and do a further test plot there, I will be in the area for a match on Sun the third. Wish me luck!

 

[MrNoo]

Harry, it was producing one narrow and one wide furrow right across the plot, I did think it looked a little better as you got down to the finish but was still not right. Glad you found the issue!!!

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

Exactly....the non world people don’t understand why the crown is forced down by tail pieces, it makes it look different to the other furrows, when it doesn’t need to be...

You noticed the prime reason for the seminars then! Its to try to stop the "tower of babel "multitude of interpretations.One other thing, you dont judge plots against each other, you judge them on their compliance(or not ) with a known standard. Trying to do it the other way leads to plenty of (perhaps unwanted) exercise, running up and down the windings, fun in the rain, on a hill with thirty plots to look at!
Regarding the finish, as its the last eight furrows, the straight but dirty has perhaps one poor furrow, the clean but bent would likely have more, so straight wins.
Bet one cause for "conversation" was the use of tail fins to obliterate the first crown furrows in the world style start!

 

[Ley253]

Exactly....the non world people don’t understand why the crown is forced down by tail pieces, it makes it look different to the other furrows, when it doesn’t need to be...

tail fins being used as a "Get out of Jail" card! I hate it, and it does lose points later on.

 

[Ley253]

Harry, it was producing one narrow and one wide furrow right across the plot, I did think it looked a little better as you got down to the finish but was still not right. Glad you found the issue!!!

I hope I have Chris, this W/E should prove it, one way or the other! Furrows were not far out in size, but the share/coulter interface was missing, still in the furrow bottom, this made them look entirely different. I had the same problem at Wormside last year, we put it down to wheel mark then, and the following day, when it had dried, work was fine, in John Harris`s view, as good as any in the field. This seemed to prove it was wheelmark. Saturday proved that was wrong, to say the least. I hope to be at east Wales on the third, but kit will have to be going better, I cant have another struggle like Sat, too old, and feeling it!

 

[Roy Stokes]

tail fins being used as a "Get out of Jail" card! I hate it, and it does lose points later on.

I also don't detest the plastering of the 2 middle crown furrows with tails Harry, however the top man in classic does it all the time and gets away with it even though in my opinion it looks bloody awful, results would suggest it doesn't go down quite as well in the European championships

 

[Roy Stokes]

I hope I have Chris, this W/E should prove it, one way or the other! Furrows were not far out in size, but the share/coulter interface was missing, still in the furrow bottom, this made them look entirely different. I had the same problem at Wormside last year, we put it down to wheel mark then, and the following day, when it had dried, work was fine, in John Harris`s view, as good as any in the field. This seemed to prove it was wheelmark. Saturday proved that was wrong, to say the least. I hope to be at east Wales on the third, but kit will have to be going better, I cant have another struggle like Sat, too old, and feeling it!

At Flint 2017 your plough paired badly Harry, at that point I thought it was the tractor wheel as if you recall it was quite wet, you may have been fighting the vent leg for much longer than you think ?

 

[Ley253]

At Flint 2017 your plough paired badly Harry, at that point I thought it was the tractor wheel as if you recall it was quite wet, you may have been fighting the vent leg for much longer than you think ?

My thoughts exactly, if it had shown up all the time, It would have been so much easier to identify . Still all I can do is try it tomorrow, and hopefully back in the seminar field next w/e. No guarantee of course but at least it should have a better chance.