Keep Farm Subsidies....REMOVE MINETTE BATTERS

[Bossfarmer]

its the 1 thing he is good at

What are you good at?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

What are you good at?

well i not going to look back through the thread, but a few time you never answered me,

 

[Hindsight]

I left the UK to farm in Australia in 1979, so do not know about the 1980s, but did we not receive direct payments for some cattle?

It is a long time ago and I had mainly sheep with few cattle, but I recall half inch holes being punched in ears, followed by a payment.

Is my memory on this good or bad?

Sorry, I think you have taken the sentence in my post out of context. I get muddled using the quote and reply functions on this forum so ended up copying that sentence from Two Tone post 764 as I was pointing out the same as you - that there was subsidy and payments in the 70s / 80s which his post from the NFU meeting inferred was not the case. And yes for example if I recall there was beef special premium scheme - limited to first 90 head, among others. I am not familiar with the livestock subs /schemes as my life has been in arable.

Hope that makes sense. Regards

 

[Hindsight]

what is wrong with paying for no change if what is happening now is the right thing to do, see my posts on payments for those that have not dug the hedges out
the idea is to get environmental benefit but it seems those that have been doing it right off their own back get nothing

Nothing wrong at all. And I am aware from previous posts of yours that I have seen you quite understandably have a view on this. Regards

 

[Bossfarmer]

well i not going to look back through the thread, but a few time you never answered me,

I don't have time to answer every post on every thread but I will try

 

[Old McDonald]

Sorry, I think you have taken the sentence in my post out of context. I get muddled using the quote and reply functions on this forum so ended up copying that sentence from Two Tone post 764 as I was pointing out the same as you - that there was subsidy and payments in the 70s / 80s which his post from the NFU meeting inferred was not the case. And yes for example if I recall there was beef special premium scheme - limited to first 90 head, among others. I am not familiar with the livestock subs /schemes as my life has been in arable.

Hope that makes sense. Regards

My apologies to you. I meant to quote from Two Tone's post not yours. Actually I was not sure whether he was making the statement, or if he in turn, was repeating something Meurig Raymond had said.

 

[Bossfarmer]

**The welsh farmers profit figures are in surveyed by Aberystwyth University**

All lowland cattle and sheep farms in wales produced a profit of £187/ha, this includes their subsidy which accounts for £192/ha of this!!! hill sheep figures are worse at £167/ha and hill cattle and sheep worse still at £152

can anyone tell me what percentage of their profit was made up by sfp for the year??

 

[Brisel]

Assuming £192/ha is the same across all these groups (which I suspect it isn't - do the hills get less in Wales?)

192/187 x 100 = subsidy is 102.7% of profit etc. Simple maths.

 

[bill.bt]

no the hills in wales get the same rate as lowland .as it changes from historic to flat rate area payments over the next few years to 2019.they where going to get under 40 euros a hectare I think in the hills .but they won a court case against the welsh government .now its the same for everyone by 2019.