'kin BBC and climate change.

graham99

Member
It is very frustrating to watch and listen to their one sided point of view. Are not herbivores the reason why grasslands sequester so much carbon; help to contribute to an environment that many invertebrates thrive in as well as lots of fungi and wildlife?

Perhaps ,we as a species are far too numerous and our lifestyles are not compatable with a reduction in green house gases.

Why can the bbc not produce an informed and balanced news piece?
when the herbivore is in a paddock growing at the RATE nature in tended yes .
when some dumb person pays to much for the land and then has to rape it to make a living, no
 
One of the most fascinating photos of earth I have ever seen was one taken about two days after 9/11 from space when all flights were banned.When compared to a photo of earth taken a few days before of a brown horizon this time the brown was missing to be replaced with the clean blue and white of the atmosphere surrounding earth. Proof positive of the pollution released on a daily basis by aircraft flights and possibly one of the causes of climate change on the surface.
 

graham99

Member
right...thats it...i've filled in a form on bbc website challenging them to compare the co2 of my farm to theirs of being a journalist....watch this space
your govt printing money .to interest rates low is what is stuffing the planet.
it will all be fine when brexit happens .
as you guys hated the workers who brought your product ,so much you sacked them in favor of foreign equipment .
i can see britain being very clean and green,as you will doing all by hand
 

Kazak

Member
Global warming goes hand in hand with capitalism/consumism..
The only way to really stop it is change our attitide which a) nobody wants to do and b)economic powers definetly dont want to do..
We wear scarves made in singapore, eat avocados from tanzania and fly to Berlin for a party.
We all have 2 cars, dishwashers, driers, computers..
The big elephant in the room is that we drastically need to change the way we live but nobody reports that as that goes against ‘the core principles’ of the capitalism and no one is prepared to start rocking that boat..
Much easier to report about how agriculture is affecting it.. which may be true to a point but is definetly not the main problem..
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Maybe in the future we will have schemes which allow meat to be labelled as 'low carbon beef/lamb' this will allow consumers to recognise the difference between different farming systems rather than just tarring all ruminant meat production with the same brush - ridiculous.
I have just been reading that pasture fed animals produce far less methane, so there could be a case for not feeding grain to animals, I know you could say we would produce less, there earn less, but if we all produced less, hopefully the price would go up to counteract that.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
What do all these experts suggest we do with all the crop byproducts left over from human foodstuff processing?

The maize gluten, rapeseed meal, wheat feed, soya (after oil been extracted), waste potatoes, distillers and brewers grains etc.etc.

Suppose we could tip it all in an AD plant and produce, erm, what is it? Oh yes, methane! Them burn it to make CO2.

If it decomposes or burns you will either get methane or CO2. You won't create more or less carbon, only alter it's chemical form.

Any of these people drink alcohol? It may have escaped their attention, but something will need to be fermented to produce alcohol. That fermentation will produce CO2.

Food is necessary. Alcohol is not a necessity. Holidays to Spain are not necessary. Travelling 30 miles to work could/should be reduced to cut emissions. There's no excuse for building any new housing stock unless it is passive house quality.

Thing is, it wouldn't be popular to suggest stopping drinking alcohol.
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
A full passenger jet aircraft doesn't put out much GHG compared to a car with 1 occupant. The solution to pollution is dilution.
As it stands your statement is incorrect. You have to include the words "per passenger" to make it correct.
It's still a lot of luxury produced Co2 however.
It's also burning fossil fuels which are a long term store of carbon. Cattle are part of the current carbon cycle. They forget this in their comparisons.

I also read that the International climate change body coming up with these figures about livestock made no allowance for carbon sequestered by grazed grass. This may have changed in the last few years but somehow I doubt it.
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
How much soya is grown in GB these days, and in Europe as a whole?

I'm interested, because I overheard a conversation about soya "milk" where both the people involved considered that their preferred brand would not only guarantee no GM, but wouldn't affect the rain forest or the Brazilian savannah that was featured in the news recently.
 
What about 737's using 750 gallons of fuel per hour then? Not as popular as blaming cows farting is it ?:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:


Don't want to sail your £100s million Super Yacht to a port ? .. there's an answer with the yacht carrying mega ship .. it's just "Plebs" that pay climate taxes.

https://www.cnbc.com/id/100758754

Whilst "Plebs" pay taxes the super non tax paying rich globalists sit pretty in Tax havens.

Why are people putting up with this sh@t ?
 

manhill

Member
In my system, the housed cattle are producing body heat as well as methane. The heat and methane are extracted in the ventilated air passing through the recovery system .
Methane is separated and fuelling a generator. The extracted warmed air is used for domestic heating. Each cow emits around 1kW continuous.
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
In my system, the housed cattle are producing body heat as well as methane. The heat and methane are extracted in the ventilated air passing through the recovery system .
Methane is separated and fuelling a generator. The extracted warmed air is used for domestic heating. Each cow emits around 1kW continuous.


My sibling lives in a house where the cattle were once kept to the right of the front door, and a bedroom was above.

I don't think the mediaeval farmers collected the methane, but they definitely benefited from the warmth.
 

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