Kverneland Accord TS Tine drill

[Zippy768]

Anybody with any thoughts or experiences they wish to share on the above machine. Early 2000's.

Weight of 4.8m;
Rows of tines;
Maintenance costs - springs, wearing parts etc;
Ability to do its job;
Work rates;
Small seeds/big seeds crops
Etc

All opinions appreciated

 

[David.]

With 500kg of seed on board, I can pull and lift 4.2m drill perfectly well with sub 100hp JD 3050.
Planted from osr to sp beans perfectly ok.
Usually drill into ploughed and rolled land perfectly ok, but a quick rattle over with a kkk does make life pleasanter, maybe a luxury but just helps levelling and works cobbly bits a little more.
Better with hydraulic driven fan because man who designed PTO system obviously didn't like deep drilling, belt guard fouling centre depth wheels is main limitation.
Will continue to drill in poor conditions upto point where you ought to go home.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Are we talking about the tined seeder thing? If so, you will pull a 6m one with 150hp tractor easily. Lightweight and relatively simple. Similar to the Weaving mounted drill which might be worth looking at also. It's the points and the following harrow that wear, can't see that would be much compared to some other machines.

As above, the drill will put seed in the ground in conditions where you probably don't want to do it- the tines will put the seed in but can get really, really smeary in wet conditions. There must be loads of threads on TFF about them. Can get winter beans in deep no problem and well suited to min-tillage systems as can cope with some trash.

No rear packer mind (or at least the ones I knew of didn't) so rolling may be necessary depending on your dirt. I never drove the thing I only carted the seed for the man on it, but would cover 100 acres a day with the 6m version. Forward speed is a good lick so you can cover ground at a good rate- go when the conditions allow.

 

[Zippy768]

With 500kg of seed on board, I can pull and lift 4.2m drill perfectly well with sub 100hp JD 3050.
Planted from osr to sp beans perfectly ok.
Usually drill into ploughed and rolled land perfectly ok, but a quick rattle over with a kkk does make life pleasanter, maybe a luxury but just helps levelling and works cobbly bits a little more.
Better with hydraulic driven fan because man who designed PTO system obviously didn't like deep drilling, belt guard fouling centre depth wheels is main limitation.
Will continue to drill in poor conditions upto point where you ought to go home.

What kind of weight do you have on the front of ur JD. They dont seem to take much pulling but was a little concerned on balancing.
Do you think the hydraulic system takes much of a pull from ur power?

Running costs good? Do you have many issues with the springs?

Not really looking for one for drilling in poor conditions - which would be a bonus. More as a quick, simple, low maintenance drill for plough and cultivated land. Simplify and speed up the whole process

 

[Zippy768]

Are we talking about the tined seeder thing? If so, you will pull a 6m one with 150hp tractor easily. Lightweight and relatively simple. Similar to the Weaving mounted drill which might be worth looking at also. It's the points and the following harrow that wear, can't see that would be much compared to some other machines.

As above, the drill will put seed in the ground in conditions where you probably don't want to do it- the tines will put the seed in but can get really, really smeary in wet conditions. There must be loads of threads on TFF about them. Can get winter beans in deep no problem and well suited to min-tillage systems as can cope with some trash.

No rear packer mind (or at least the ones I knew of didn't) so rolling may be necessary depending on your dirt. I never drove the thing I only carted the seed for the man on it, but would cover 100 acres a day with the 6m version. Forward speed is a good lick so you can cover ground at a good rate- go when the conditions allow.

Yep, the tineseeder.

Unfortunately dont have 150hp only up to 140hp. It is the balancing that concerns me. Only have 500kg on the front, empty, 4.8m is near 1700kg. But I gather they dont take much pulling.
Have considered weaving and they seem the lightest of the tines drills, but wonder if they are too light. Stories of frames bending or cracking. Yet to see a 4.8 but have seen 6m about.

Running a roller over wont be a problem. It's the pre drilling prep that I want to lessen.

The one I have seen has been adapted to have four rows of tines, so trash flow should be even better. All straw is baked and removed so trash is minimal anyhoo.

On 18m at mo so would look to drop a tine off each side to reduce to 4.5m for the "tine" ? being. 6m would be ideal tho.

 

[Longneck]

I bought a 4.8m one this autumn to get us out of trouble, Drilled about 300 acres of wheat with it in the end on the back of a JD 6830 (140hp) and it was a good match. Didnt have a front weight on, just filled up the front tool box with concrete blocks and that was adequate.
If not a lot of trash you will be fine with standard 3 rows of tines.

Only isues we had was it ate a set of fan belts but that was no big deal. We also put a new set of following harrows on it which wasn't expensive either.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Yep, the tineseeder.

Unfortunately dont have 150hp only up to 140hp. It is the balancing that concerns me. Only have 500kg on the front, empty, 4.8m is near 1700kg. But I gather they dont take much pulling.
Have considered weaving and they seem the lightest of the tines drills, but wonder if they are too light. Stories of frames bending or cracking. Yet to see a 4.8 but have seen 6m about.

Running a roller over wont be a problem. It's the pre drilling prep that I want to lessen.

The one I have seen has been adapted to have four rows of tines, so trash flow should be even better. All straw is baked and removed so trash is minimal anyhoo.

On 18m at mo so would look to drop a tine off each side to reduce to 4.5m for the "tine" ? being. 6m would be ideal tho.

I bet your tractor will lift and pull a 6 metre one.

 

[Zippy768]

I bought a 4.8m one this autumn to get us out of trouble, Drilled about 300 acres of wheat with it in the end on the back of a JD 6830 (140hp) and it was a good match. Didnt have a front weight on, just filled up the front tool box with concrete blocks and that was adequate.
If not a lot of trash you will be fine with standard 3 rows of tines.

Only isues we had was it ate a set of fan belts but that was no big deal. We also put a new set of following harrows on it which wasn't expensive either.

Excellent that is what I want to hear.
We currently have a vicon lz520 6m, with a bag that is 1800kg ish which is fine, had up to another half bag and that is the limit with 500kg on front really.
20% of our ground is hills, some of that is only drilling down!

 

[Zippy768]

I bet your tractor will lift and pull a 6 metre one.

I have no doubt it'll lift and pull 6 metres - but rather depends how much wheelieing I want to be doing.
Only have weight block and no front linkage

 

[Zippy768]

@Longneck @David. @deleted user 837354
Anything specific I need to ask about, apart from the obvious. Bit too far away to have a inspection

 

[David.]

What kind of weight do you have on the front of ur JD. They dont seem to take much pulling but was a little concerned on balancing.
Do you think the hydraulic system takes much of a pull from ur power?

Running costs good? Do you have many issues with the springs?

Not really looking for one for drilling in poor conditions - which would be a bonus. More as a quick, simple, low maintenance drill for plough and cultivated land. Simplify and speed up the whole process

I have PTO drive one.
In good conditions when depth wheels run clean no probs at all. I designed scrapers for the middle wheels which help a lot when it turns sticky, but I would seek a hyd drive drill if I was doing it again.
I dont think have ever put another spring on the drill since I replaced a couple when I bought it, tines are good too, and points seem to last well.
Tractor will go quite happily with 400kg weights up front, much more manageable than a 3m Kuhn Accord combi.
A TS evo has some improvements but is an altogether heavier beast.
I bought the TS having seen neighbours drill hundreds of acres with one over the years, into some fairly "variable" seedbeds without much trouble, and I had become tired of grinding soil to dust with a power harrow combi just to carry a drill.
Most of our red soil I could plough and cambridge roll and straight in with TS, or in a favourable autumn like 2018 give first flush of weeds a rattle with a kkk in mid September, and then let it green for another few weeks before drilling quickly when needed.

 

[Flat 10]

Depth control/evenness concerns me

 

[David.]

You might want to extract a promise that if the marker shuttle valve is goosed, they will provide a replacement;
symptom is marker arm you are not using gradually drops whilst drilling, which is not handy if you forget to transport lock it up when drilling round headlands.
I expect KV think this simple valve is worth £400....

 

[David.]

Depth control/evenness concerns me

Agreed, it is only a cultivator drill after all, but I have not found it to be a problem in practice.
And I like to put wheat in 3" deep anyway .

 

[Zippy768]

Depth control/evenness concerns me

From what I gather that if the general problem with these cultivator tine drills. Details aren't really our thing here anyhow ?

 

[Zippy768]

You might want to extract a promise that if the marker shuttle valve is goosed, they will provide a replacement;
symptom is marker arm you are not using gradually drops whilst drilling, which is not handy if you forget to transport lock it up when drilling round headlands.
I expect KV think this simple valve is worth £400....

Thanks for that.
What control box yours have?

 

[David.]

Just the standard square tramliner one.

 

[Andy26]

Depth control/evenness concerns me

I don't think seed depth and uniform depth have ever been proved to offer a yield benefit. In almost every trial where broadcasting seed and harrowing in has been tried against the most accurate seed placement drills of the day e.g. Vaderstad Rapid, JD750A. the random seed depth has out yielded them.

@Clive direct drill trials a few summers ago springs to mind and there was an ADAS trials in the 80's carried out over several seasons and different sites where broadcasting was the highest yielding on the majority of occasions.

So apart from looking good as the whole field emerges on the same day, I wouldn't worry one bit about that.

The TS drills will definitely put the seeds deep enough out of way for Pre-em sprays so that's not a worry either.

 

[Andy26]

Anybody with any thoughts or experiences they wish to share on the above machine. Early 2000's.

Weight of 4.8m;
Rows of tines;
Maintenance costs - springs, wearing parts etc;
Ability to do its job;
Work rates;
Small seeds/big seeds crops
Etc

All opinions appreciated

I have a TS 500 set to 4.8m (there isn't a TS 4.8m they are 5m ones with the coulters re-spaced to fit make 4.8m for 24m tramlines).

As @David. points out my only problem is that one of the central wheels catches on the PTO guard if you want to drill deep, and if soil picks up on the wheel it then bangs against the PTO guard. I'd like to retrofit a Hyd, Fan for this reason.

Otherwise the drills are brilliant @10kmh in an 8 hour day depending on field size and availability of seed you will be drilling 50-80 acres a day.

The TS probably has the strongest coulter pressure of its rivals so can almost go direct as @Badshot did/does.

 

[E_B]

We have a 6m TS EVO if relevant, have used it on a CS110 before, although the front wheels tended to lift off on the headlands. But it pulled it! 5 rows of tines means it handles alot of trash. Press wheels aren't very helpful in the wet but good for most of what we use it for.

Recently added RDS electric metering which should revolutionise it to be fair.