Land Owners - Deer Culling

[Free range Rob]

Getting signed off is very easy, it’s when you start processing stuff and supplying to trade it becomes more involved.

if you have dsc1 was it whilst the large game meat hygiene was still included ?
You will have trained hunter status to inspect, so it will be pretty much transport and storage they will want to know.

most really not very onerous the first step and well worth doing

 

[bottletopbill]

Do you have to be registered to supply deer to other's for free and not as a food business.

When i done my DSC1 it did not include large game meat hygiene part.

 

[t.eddie]

Do you have to be registered to supply deer to other's for free and not as a food business.

When i done my DSC1 it did not include large game meat hygiene part.

Yes you should be even under the hunters exemption I believe, though there will be suffering degrees of food business status etc

 

[bottletopbill]

OK thanks i will have to look into this in the new year now.

 

[t.eddie]

OK thanks i will have to look into this in the new year now.

If you need a hand let me know, I'm happy to help

 

[bottletopbill]

Will do if you do not mind .
I was told there is a course online for about £35. but i did not think this would be good enough to count for anything.
As i need to learn to butcher and skin a deer first as i was not shown this yet.

 

[SuffolkStalker]

As above, the exemption for food registration only applies for in-fur carcasses. The link to FSA guide is:

Guidance for primary producers and food business operators on the hygienic production of wild game

Guidance on food safety and hygiene requirements that apply in the various situations in which wild game is hunted and supplied for human consumption.

www.food.gov.uk

There is a subtle difference in terminology which catches people out. Wild game refers to a whole carcass. Wild game meat is a carcass which has been prepared (skinned, cut, etc).

 

[Free range Rob]

Do you have to be registered to supply deer to other's for free and not as a food business.

When i done my DSC1 it did not include large game meat hygiene part.

Then you really need to be taking that as an additional course, I believe Lantra offer them.

technically it would depend on if they are in fur, and are they friends ?your not supposed to even give them away if you have done anything further than a field gralloch, ie, skinning, or butchery. personal and family consumption only.

As per T.Eddie, if you want to talk through it, feel free, or pop up if you wanted, although he would obviously be closer for you.

best bet would be to call EHO at you local authority, they are surprisingly helpful (even if they don’t always understand game meat regs)

Take a look at wild game guidance as it lists every scenario on there and tells you what you can and cannot do (most EHO refer to this as they often don’t know).

Wild game guidance

Hygiene regulations for supplying game for human consumption.

www.food.gov.uk

you do NOT need to know any butchery or skinning to be registered, obviously if your planning to send it on it is advisable.
What you do need to understand is hygiene, cold chains, food hygiene and record keeping, its honestly all common sense.

 

[t.eddie]

Will do if you do not mind .
I was told there is a course online for about £35. but i did not think this would be good enough to count for anything.
As i need to learn to butcher and skin a deer first as i was not shown this yet.

Scott rea videos are a great place to start there's also lots of videos from the states of people skinning/ breaking down/ butchering. The bearded butchers are really good to watch

I wouldn't do an online butchery course personally as something like that that I'm paying for I'd want to be hands on

Online course that is worth doing is level 2 food hygiene. It's about 20.00 does take long but the EHO will be happy you have it

 

[bottletopbill]

t.eddie would that cover me to skin and cut a deer into various cuts and give them to people for free and how long is the certificate last for.

Now need to get out and do some stalking will have to book a stalk soon

cheers Bill

 

[t.eddie]

t.eddie would that cover me to skin and cut a deer into various cuts and give them to people for free and how long is the certificate last for.

Now need to get out and do some stalking will have to book a stalk soon

cheers Bill

The thing to cover you will be your haccp which is your risk assessment that will be signed off by the council. But the food hygiene and trained hunter status will support the process as well as show the eho you know what your doing

 

[Mickeydredd]

t.eddie would that cover me to skin and cut a deer into various cuts and give them to people for free and how long is the certificate last for.

Now need to get out and do some stalking will have to book a stalk soon

cheers Bill

For some butchering experience, ask a local butcher if he will show you on a carcase you supply to him and share the meat with him. I had a mate who was a butcher and that is what I did in the early days, as well as watching a few Youtube videos first.

 

[bottletopbill]

I live in south east London /Kent border do not know any game butchers around me but will try and find one

 

[t.eddie]

I live in south east London /Kent border do not know any game butchers around me but will try and find one

A normal butcher should be able to do it for you mate, the only thing they won't usually do is take a carcass in the fur. So would require skinning before hand and then transporting. I've done this in muslin cloth sacks (put a whole Chinese water deer in one) that I skinned as soon as I got home so it was still cooling down, then straight to the butchers.

 

[bottletopbill]

Will start asking some village butchers after the festive season

 

[bottletopbill]

You guys are so lucky i live near jnc 3 M25 and all the deer areas are taken i have a perm along A21 area .
But the deer are the other side and about 3 miles away have been waiting for over ten years for them to move in.
But they would starve to death as nothing grows some hops and skinny sheep brought as a hobby farm for a top barrister family.

 

[t.eddie]

You guys are so lucky i live near jnc 3 M25 and all the deer areas are taken i have a perm along A21 area .
But the deer are the other side and about 3 miles away have been waiting for over ten years for them to move in.
But they would starve to death as nothing grows some hops and skinny sheep brought as a hobby farm for a top barrister family.

The farms I shoot on are not super populated with deer either and small numbers dot about mainly roe and muntjac occasionally fallow come through.however this allows a more management style approach as opposed to a take as many as possible option

 

[bottletopbill]

Some land owners want them removed all together but as you say if they are then managed what is the problem and should be left for the farmer and stalker to agree .
As you seem to have done well done why wipe out if you can control them.

 

[Mickeydredd]

But the deer are the other side and about 3 miles away have been waiting for over ten years for them to move in.
But they would starve to death as nothing grows some hops and skinny sheep brought as a hobby farm for a top barrister family.

Pretty clear then why they are not moving in.....

 

[bottletopbill]

Tried leaving food and salt but nothing and calling.
The only thing that moves are spitfires flying overhead went out again on Sunday 4 hours see nothing yet again.
Rabbit or foxes or any birds not even a tree rat