Or "Its not company policy to give employee references" .
Leaving job without notice
- Thread starter Weasel
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Nearly
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- North of York
Is the employee's name 'Blenky' by any chance?
A guy worked poorly for my grandfather, then left and after a few months asked for a reference. My grandfather, who ran a large bakery and shop business provided the following reference : “ To whom it may concern, Mr X worked for me.” !
- Location
- Cumbria
Absolutely spot on, if you are in breach or contract, you are in breach of contract !
If the circumstances dictate, not only can an employer claim for additional costs incurred by the breach, you may also be able to claim for any losses incurred.
As regards giving a bad reference, that is correct, so the solution is not to give one, this also speaks volumes.
betweenthelines
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- southwest
Phone calls can be recorded you know.
I know someone who "let rip" when a member of staff rang in sick one Sunday. By the end of the week the CAB had written to him enclosing a full transcript of every thing he said (swearing included) and threatening tribunals etc. if said employee was not reinstated forthwith.
You were judging what he did in his own time , his "takeaway night" may have been the only thing holding his marriage together and his time away from work has nothing to do with you or anyone else , finishing at 5 is quiet normal for any business , this is a problem particularly on farms , farmers expect employees to have the same enthusiasm as they do and do the same unsociable hours for poor pay , but why would they?
Good luck taking an employee who was on crap pay to court ,pointless suing those with no money, plus he may open a can of worms you wished were left alone.
You have to tell the caller they are being recorded before discussion .
It turned out his reason for leaving was a load of ball cocks. I drove his tractor the next day, and immediately noticed the head gasket was blowing, he just didn’t want to tell me about it. The other drivers had apparently told him repeatedly to blow out his radiator, and he kept saying it didn’t need doing…
It was a crap time to be left without a machine, it wasn’t a cheap repair, and it was all down to negligence; f**king right I was judging him.
- Location
- Cumbria
Do we need to inform callers that calls are recorded?
In the UK you are not required by law to inform the other party that a call is being recorded assuming that the recordings and associated data are used solely for: Training and Quality, Meeting Regulatory Requirements, Maintaining Evidence of Business Transactions, Prevention or Detection of Crime or Fraud.
However it is considered polite to inform your callers that you are doing so and if the recordings or information will be used for any other purposes (including marketing) then you must inform people.
what do you call poor pay
most farm staff have pride and enthusiasm . it’s not just a job ,
had a few long days now it’s dried up getting drilling done , spraying through night when calm ,
you do it because when it’s wet day you think f in hell we got done , you don’t knock off at 5 , and think f**k it till tomorrow , it might start raining and not stop
In my opinion poor pay is <£14.00 ph for an experienced farm worker / tractor driver , construction generally pays more for physical and outdoor work , machine drivers get considerably more and no unsociable hours, many farmers live to work but forget may employee`s work to live , there's a huge difference , if the farmer gives 110% effort he knows theres a good chance he`ll gain more acreage and new tractors over the next 5+ years , the farm worker knows he will still be driving back to his rented house in his knackerd old car.
Skintagain
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- Perched on the Pennines
Things are changing you can get good money for a 35 hour week in a factory and have time and the money to buy/rent your own small place for your family not someone elses ranch
- Location
- Cumbria
The debate about farm worker income/hours is complex and historical.
Times keep changing, the need for competencies, health and safety training, pensions, human/employee rights, etc, etc are all in play now, and in many cases many employers are unfamiliar with what is mandatory and what is not.
The weather plays a major role, and does not play ball from 8 to 5, so the days of hourly paid staff needs phasing out, and all staff should be salaried based on x hours per week.
If additional hours are worked, then they should be compensated with additional day's off in-lieu.
The constant arguments about what is, and what is not reasonable want's put to be bed once and for all. The life-style argument is a non starter for paid employee's.
Working as a farm paid employee needs to be attractive, we are entering a phase of labour competition, farming and working in a farming environment is a great job and should be portrayed as such.
In addition, ALL staff should get a share of the profits to help improve engagement and loyalty. This should be simple, as an example:
x% of profit set aside each year as profit sharing pot. ( this has tax benefits for the employer)
a points for years at the employer
b points for level of income
axb = total number of points per employee
profit share pot divided by the total number of employee points = value per point.
This should be paid in two halves say one in June salary, and one in the December salary (when next years profit sharing should be announced)
Only paid if the employee is employed at the time of the payment.
Times keep changing, the need for competencies, health and safety training, pensions, human/employee rights, etc, etc are all in play now, and in many cases many employers are unfamiliar with what is mandatory and what is not.
The weather plays a major role, and does not play ball from 8 to 5, so the days of hourly paid staff needs phasing out, and all staff should be salaried based on x hours per week.
If additional hours are worked, then they should be compensated with additional day's off in-lieu.
The constant arguments about what is, and what is not reasonable want's put to be bed once and for all. The life-style argument is a non starter for paid employee's.
Working as a farm paid employee needs to be attractive, we are entering a phase of labour competition, farming and working in a farming environment is a great job and should be portrayed as such.
In addition, ALL staff should get a share of the profits to help improve engagement and loyalty. This should be simple, as an example:
x% of profit set aside each year as profit sharing pot. ( this has tax benefits for the employer)
a points for years at the employer
b points for level of income
axb = total number of points per employee
profit share pot divided by the total number of employee points = value per point.
This should be paid in two halves say one in June salary, and one in the December salary (when next years profit sharing should be announced)
Only paid if the employee is employed at the time of the payment.
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The salaried option would be met with a big F.O by most workers , hourly rate payment is fine so long as a contract is agreed on what those hours are likely to be and also overtime rates need to be bought into line , profit share is good in theory but profits are often lost by a good accountant to avoid a tax bill , if a farm is a limited company shares could be offered but I cant see many farmers liking that idea , most would be happy with £x ph and an overtime rate of x1.3 to x1.5 and agreed minimum hours per week and an agreement on unsociable hours .
The Seeker
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Given how hard is to sack someone nowerdays if they walk that’s good for you
- Location
- Cumbria
Unfortunately, hourly rates are not a really suitable when working against the weather, unless of course it's favorable and everything get's done it contracted hours.
Some flexibility in working hours is required in farm work, if you are not flexible, it's not the job for you, that is why salary based on x hours per week is the best solution.
it’s sh!t llike what makes you enjoy your work been across 14 ha that’s last run up headland
yes it’s the green star
but that run is tramline right to gate
smile every time you pass it
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Skintagain
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