Life after BPS producing food from cattle and sheep.

[Northern territory]

Just read the SFI book, low input grassland and hedge row management will replace my Bps payments or I could go for herbal leys , there's a few other options that may add a bit more , depending on how much extra paperwork and hassle I want , on the whole fairly positive for a livestock farm.

It won’t though will it as it won’t replace income foregone

 

[Northern territory]

What amazes me about people who say they will put their feet up and have an easier life, why didn’t they do the same thing under full bps and stewardship. I know some who did.

 

[farmerm]

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except you can remove the hat, the pipe, the dog and even the stick... the budget is not going to stretch to such luxuries

 

[Henarar]

It won’t though will it as it won’t replace income foregone

how do you know he will have to forgo any income ?

 

[Henarar]

What amazes me about people who say they will put their feet up and have an easier life, why didn’t they do the same thing under full bps and stewardship. I know some who did.

because bps didn't interfere and stewardship didn't pay so well as SFI

 

[Northern territory]

because bps didn't interfere and stewardship didn't pay so well as SFI

no cost to bps though, plenty attached to sfi

 

[Farmer Keith]

Trouble is,if you're in an upland outright livestock area there's no arable land to use like that. Closest farm to us that tried outwintering cattle on kale and bales had the RSPCA after them every day because do gooders were reporting the "poor cows stuck in mud and freezing to death". There is much to learn and admire about how NZ farms do things but a lot of it isn't transferable to all of the UK because of the length of winter and other parties or agencies poking their noses in.

What’s stopping you putting them on a wagon across the country? Easily go over the Pennines from here, there’s a lot of straw and feed comes over currently it might even be more efficient to move the cattle over there and not the feed and bedding over here.

 

[Northern territory]

how do you know he will have to forgo any income ?

If you are in the luxurious position you can run very low stocking rates then maybe he won’t. If not a lorry will be coming shortly

 

[Henarar]

no cost to bps though, plenty attached to sfi

what is the cost with low input ?

 

[Northern territory]

what is the cost with low input ?

Falling foul of the rules and having full trust in rpa

 

[Henarar]

If you are in the luxurious position you can run very low stocking rates then maybe he won’t. If not a lorry will be coming shortly

Not necessarily, that partly why I put "if we have to" in this post.

Well I think the low input offer plus the hedgerow offer and the in hedge trees, plus a few other things and we will be back up to BPS levels of payment, cut the cattle numbers if we have to and just keep the pedigree British blues as they seem to do well on low input unlike continentals,
a few more sheep and put my feet up and annoy folk that get offended on TFF.
Or alternatively none of the above, not had my mind made up yet.

 

[Henarar]

Falling foul of the rules and having full trust in rpa

whatever

 

[Northern territory]

whatever

you crack on and let us know how it goes

 

[spin cycle]

What amazes me about people who say they will put their feet up and have an easier life, why didn’t they do the same thing under full bps and stewardship. I know some who did.

Guilty as charged

that's one of the few positives of bps going IMO....I've finally been forced to look at food production and say....feck it

 

[Henarar]

you crack on and let us know how it goes

re the low input I sort of have, as referenced on the price tracker thread and tis ok so far thanks

 

[Northern territory]

re the low input I sort of have, as referenced on the price tracker thread and tis ok so far thanks

I’m glad for you,it’s probably the correct way to go but I would rather do it on my own terms rather than the prescriptive rpa

 

[Henarar]

Just read the SFI book, low input grassland and hedge row management will replace my Bps payments or I could go for herbal leys , there's a few other options that may add a bit more , depending on how much extra paperwork and hassle I want , on the whole fairly positive for a livestock farm.

it would seem that those sticking to a high input system will not only have the inputs to pay for but they won't be able to claim any worth while payment ? at least thats the way it looks from a quick read ?

 

[Henarar]

I’m glad for you,it’s probably the correct way to go but I would rather do it on my own terms rather than the prescriptive rpa

I can understand that and so would I but this little farm is my living I have nart else and if needs must I don't give to much of a feck where it comes from

 

[Henarar]

Guilty as charged

that's one of the few positives of bps going IMO....I've finally been forced to look at food production and say....feck it

Are you pushing it that hard now perhaps "less would be more" as @Hilly said

 

[Bossfarmer]

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is this profit for dairy and poultry before or after paying back all the expensive infrastructure needed?