Line one Herefords

[som farmer]

Funny question but if they are out wintered why are they so good at standing nice and carmly like that, eating? Are they running back in each day for grub or something?

whatever, but they look a grand bunch.

 

[Hilly]

Funny question but if they are out wintered why are they so good at standing nice and carmly like that, eating? Are they running back in each day for grub or something?

Out door coral .

 

[Welderloon]

Are any of them yours Hilly?

 

[Hilly]

Are any of them yours Hilly?

Some of them will be yes.

 

[Sharpy]

Out door coral .

That's not really outwintered. That's more like a shed minus a roof.

 

[Hilly]

That's not really outwintered. That's more like a shed minus a roof.

Im only assuming , the gate into the field might be open and they come on to hard to eat , would that count ? The level of exposure to the irish sea they have id say a shed without a roof is out wintered myself , some savage winds n rain they get been on that coast line.

 

[Welderloon]

The South West riviera,

 

[puntabrava]

there used to be Dorchester Candlemas, Tites organised the haulage for the sale, otherwise it would have been a nightmare, long gone now, moved to Yeovil, gone, now Frome, has them, used to be 2 days. The sales were organised to max number of cattle, Shaftsbury, thurs, Yeovil fri, sedge sat, huge number of cattle

Salisbury is really taking trade from, presumably Frome, 1257 cattle in 5 days, only 220 booked for Frome, on fri

we tend to go West, down to Exeter, straight down the A303, and Salisbury for culls, and odds. I think all mkts, have different 'types' of stock, Frome for buying calves ! And a lot depends on how the auctioneers treat you, there are some ignorant beggars out there.

takes all sorts, l think we are lucky to have a choice of several mkts. But there are problems ahead, all the mkts will be competing for cattle, from an ever decreasing pool, and the huge numbers of cattle being sold now, where are the cattle for the Autumn sales ? Because a lot of these cattle, go North.

we buy calves now, to rear, l think we will have to dig very deep in our pockets this time, and of course, no guarantee of autumn prices. How much arable ground will convert to SFI, and want cattle to graze.......... farming is quickly moving into an extremely volatile place, but an exciting time, none the less.

l have worked hard, but enjoyed it, for not a lot of reward in recent years, but l reckon my son will reap the benefit, its about time farming came into its own again.

Is just important that everyone tries to support all the markets to ensure competition, is easy to be the ‘smart’ seller that deals direct but slowly your all realising that being herded to a destination will not always result in the most profit, remember there are three major abbatoir owners and how many markets!

 

[som farmer]

once the mkts go, we are in the deep and murky, F&M in 2001 showed that up, fat went down, and down, then shot up, when the mkts reopened.

we do buy direct, perfectly happy to buy calves ex farm, in preference to mkt, less disease risk.

 

[nails]

Is just important that everyone tries to support all the markets to ensure competition, is easy to be the ‘smart’ seller that deals direct but slowly your all realising that being herded to a destination will not always result in the most profit, remember there are three major abbatoir owners and how many markets!

If you are trying to sell quality breeders you will do better privately than at markets like Salisbury or Frome . The buyers are there just for Stores. Occasionally you will get someone looking but not often enough to chance it. Personally i like selling privately

 

[nails]

once the mkts go, we are in the deep and murky, F&M in 2001 showed that up, fat went down, and down, then shot up, when the mkts reopened.

we do buy direct, perfectly happy to buy calves ex farm, in preference to mkt, less disease risk.

That rather deflates the argument for the market as a buyer for older stores might say the same.

 

[nails]

Funny question but if they are out wintered why are they so good at standing nice and carmly like that, eating? Are they running back in each day for grub or something?

I expect they stand there for a while after sucking the old dairy cows in the shed out of picture

 

[puntabrava]

If you are trying to sell quality breeders you will do better privately than at markets like Salisbury or Frome . The buyers are there just for Stores. Occasionally you will get someone looking but not often enough to chance it. Personally i like selling privately

When you get TB what’s the plan?

 

[som farmer]

That rather deflates the argument for the market as a buyer for older stores might say the same.

calves are different.

1 reduced disease risk, if all from one source

2 calves all grouped together at market, different diseases spread

3 bloody sight less hassle, ex farm

4 end product, stores, we should end up with 150+ AAx calves, by one bull, calves from market could be by any of several bulls, the idea is to produce matching pens of cattle, which store buyers want. Market calves, job to match up, in size groups.

5 we always do it through the auctioneers, and we have bought/sold big bunches of milkers through them as well, a lot of private treaty work done.

but with the calves, its just so much better, all round. Mainly from disease angle, colostrum etc

and we support the markets very well. They are vital to keep an 'open' mkt price.

bulls, usually private treaty through auctioneers, but have bought in mkt.

 

[som farmer]

When you get TB what’s the plan?

that just fecks everything up. Although our neighbour reckons he's getting more for his strong stores, in an orange mkt, rather than a normal one

just hope we stay open

 

[puntabrava]

that just fecks everything up. Although our neighbour reckons he's getting more for his strong stores, in an orange mkt, rather than a normal one

just hope we stay open

Key word is “market” in that post
Speaking to many orange market vendors they say there is little difference to unrestricted sales nowadays.

 

[som farmer]

Key word is “market” in that post
Speaking to many orange market vendors they say there is little difference to unrestricted sales nowadays.

even been told baby calves are no longer stolen in them !

but, cattle are not about in the numbers required, so better prices all round

 

[Sharpy]

Im only assuming , the gate into the field might be open and they come on to hard to eat , would that count ? The level of exposure to the irish sea they have id say a shed without a roof is out wintered myself , some savage winds n rain they get been on that coast line.

I would say that outwintered cattle should be getting most of their grub from foraging, although if they are ranging about it will show up any mobility issues fast.
We know about savage winds here too, bloody cruel on stock without access to shelter.

 

[Hilly]

I would say that outwintered cattle should be getting most of their grub from foraging, although if they are ranging about it will show up any mobility issues fast.
We know about savage winds here too, bloody cruel on stock without access to shelter.

Most outwinterd cattle ive seen get fed silage or hay or straw at a minimum …. They are young bulls and need to grow not just maintain so a little supplementary feed is essential imo.

 

[Sharpy]

Most outwinterd cattle ive seen get fed silage or hay or straw at a minimum …. They are young bulls and need to grow not just maintain so a little supplementary feed is essential imo.

I suppose it depends on what your aims are. Those bulls are a credit to their keepers though regardless of how they have been wintered.