London Cafe Completely Ditches Dairy After Watching YouTube Video

[awkward]

Apparently,to make some of these Coffey you need to froth milk. I am told to do this well enough you need lactose .which is not in these other so call milks. So anyone for substandard coffee
Funny also I don't sell cow sh!t as a premium product but there are coffees made from is it ?? Cat sh!t or something like that. Now if the dairy industry could manage that one €€€€€

 

[f0ster]

it is the customers who decide, with a bit of luck the customers will go elsewhere.

 

[roscoe erf]

it is the customers who decide, with a bit of luck the customers will go elsewhere.

this is London we are on about they love to follow a trend

 

[Clay52]

it is the customers who decide, with a bit of luck the customers will go elsewhere.

Customers will follow what they are told to follow as much as they won't believe it.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Always was a vegan café , self promotion? Not watched video, but have seen a couple this wOman has done a are as one sided as ever.

Does she know where her makeup comes from and where it was manufactured ,or is that all vegan too?

 

[jerseycowsman]

Does she know where her makeup comes from and where it was manufactured ,or is that all vegan too?

Shouldn't vegans stop travelling around? A lot of animals get run over by cars trains etc. Is that a valid argument or am I being too pedantic?

 

[William Mellor]

A lot of the stuff in the video they have got wrong, e.g the farmer at 48 seconds in is not organic yet they say he is "an organic free range homestead farm". Quite frankly vegan pick the worse parts of farming and turn it into something massive, e.g. The tail docking of cows, I know this is common practise in the USA but I have yet to see a dairy farmer in the U.K. That does it. They also seem to think farmers have absolutely no feeling for the cows and just abuse them as a machine and not care for them as an animal which defiantly not true

 

[Old McDonald]

Post a comment about the video on YouTube. Say whatever comes into your head, but take some action where it will be available to the opposition. No point in moaning here if you do nothing posititve.

I just made a comment. Have you?

 

[William Mellor]

Post a comment about the video on YouTube. Say whatever comes into your head, but take some action where it will be available to the opposition. No point in moaning here if you do nothing posititve.

I just made a comment. Have you?

I've made a good few, will have to wait and see if I get a reply

 

[Curious consumer]

Hi all, sorry to join your forum but I wanted to find out more about dairy farming. I've watched some horrific videos in the past week, this scary dairy is just one but certainly not the worst I've seen. I have a few questions, do you dehorn and brand your cows as these videos suggest? Also what happens to your male calves and how much space do the females have when they are in? I'm sorry if these questions seem very naive, but I like to do my research, rather than take these types of videos at face value. Also the milk we normally buy is country life. Do any of you supply the milk for this company? Would it be better to get my milk from my local farmer, as in are the animal welfare standards better?

 

[Clay52]

It's a trap.

 

[Curious consumer]

It's a trap.

Do you mean my comment? I can assure you it's not a trap. I am genuinely interested, I don't want to give up meat and dairy I enjoy it and I always have but these videos keep being plastered over my Facebook and I have real concerns. You seem like decent, intelligent people and I wanted to hear from you guys rather than make a rash lifestyle change based on one sided videos.

 

[William Mellor]

Yes cows are branded BUT this is only a small discomfort that last about 30 seconds and is done with brands that are frozen rather than the ancient method of red hot branding that does cause a lot of pain.
Calves are deformed, but this done to stop them harming each other. Dehorning can be done in several different methods, most common is to inject the calf with a local anaesthetic to num the area and is burnt out with an iron which doesn't harm the calf as you are only burning the bud out the stop it growing back and the pain isn't felt as the anaesthetic had numbed the area. Another common method is the put an small amount of paste on the horn bud when the calf is only a few days old which stops the horn from growing further.
On my farm Male calves are reared along side the heifers for beef, this gives them a longer life than if they were reared for veal which isn't that common.

 

[Curious consumer]

Yes cows are branded BUT this is only a small discomfort that last about 30 seconds and is done with brands that are frozen rather than the ancient method of red hot branding that does cause a lot of pain.
Calves are deformed, but this done to stop them harming each other. Dehorning can be done in several different methods, most common is to inject the calf with a local anaesthetic to num the area and is burnt out with an iron which doesn't harm the calf as you are only burning the bud out the stop it growing back and the pain isn't felt as the anaesthetic had numbed the area. Another common method is the put an small amount of paste on the horn bud when the calf is only a few days old which stops the horn from growing further.
On my farm Male calves are reared along side the heifers for beef, this gives them a longer life than if they were reared for veal which isn't that common.

Thanks so much for your reply, that explains a lot. I think knowing the reason for why things like this are done really helps. Some of these videos make it seem like it's done to be cruel. I suppose my biggest concern is avoiding products from factory farming where animals never see daylight. Is there even such a thing in regards to the dairy industry? I just want to ensure the milk we buy is coming from ethical farmers such as yourself. I would happily pay more for milk to ensure it came from a good source.

 

[Henarar]

Thanks so much for your reply, that explains a lot. I think knowing the reason for why things like this are done really helps. Some of these videos make it seem like it's done to be cruel. I suppose my biggest concern is avoiding products from factory farming where animals never see daylight. Is there even such a thing in regards to the dairy industry? I just want to ensure the milk we buy is coming from ethical farmers such as yourself. I would happily pay more for milk to ensure it came from a good source.

the trouble with these you tube videos is they are the worst things that happen over a long period of time all crammed in to 5 min's [that one looked American] you could make a similar video about the care of people in hospital [would we all stop using the hospitals ]

 

[Clay52]

Thanks so much for your reply, that explains a lot. I think knowing the reason for why things like this are done really helps. Some of these videos make it seem like it's done to be cruel. I suppose my biggest concern is avoiding products from factory farming where animals never see daylight. Is there even such a thing in regards to the dairy industry? I just want to ensure the milk we buy is coming from ethical farmers such as yourself. I would happily pay more for milk to ensure it came from a good source.

Don't believe what you see on YouTube posted by animal rights groups with selective editing. They have even been caught treating animals bad themselves, videoing it and putting it online.

As for "factory farming" that's just a jargon word designed to pull at people's emotions. Many large farms have some of the best care and animal welfare stands of any farms going around.

Not seeing daylight. You could be talking about a crossvent barn. These are extremely expensive barns designed to give the cow the best comfort they can have. They are temperature controlled, with clean sand bedding and very good ventilation. Much nicer for the cow than standing outside if it is hot, wet, or cold.

Not every farmer is perfect but most look after their animals before they worry about themselves. If you dont have happy, healthy cows they won't produce milk well for you and you'll be broke pretty quick.

 

[Curious consumer]

Thank you both for taking the time to reply. I watched one video which said it was Uk factory farming but when I did some more research, at least one of the clips wasn't even in this country. I'm going to see my local farmer tomorrow and see what treats they have in their farm shop. I think I would feel better knowing exactly where my meat and dairy is coming from. You've really helped to put my mind at ease, thank you

 

[Inky]

Don't believe what you read in the Guardian either, they just posted this:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...scary-public-farming-calves-pens-alternatives

Someone of authority needs to step in when a piece like this is publish which has some truths, but also contains straight out lies and inaccuracies.

 

[Curious consumer]

Don't believe what you read in the Guardian either, they just posted this:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...scary-public-farming-calves-pens-alternatives

Someone of authority needs to step in when a piece like this is publish which has some truths, but also contains straight out lies and inaccuracies.

I saw that, somebody said it was due to a TB scare or something? Not sure how they get away with posting lies which can have a huge impact on the farming industry. I do feel for you guys, you have to put up with a lot of crap I must admit.

 

[Flossie]

Thank you both for taking the time to reply. I watched one video which said it was Uk factory farming but when I did some more research, at least one of the clips wasn't even in this country. I'm going to see my local farmer tomorrow and see what treats they have in their farm shop. I think I would feel better knowing exactly where my meat and dairy is coming from. You've really helped to put my mind at ease, thank you

Thankyou for taking the time to join here and ask questions-we're not a bad lot and would rather help answer any queries you might have, than have you disappear off for some tofu
The 'barbaric' looking practices portrayed on animal rights videos generally have a logical and quite often welfare orientated answer.
You put the right words to anything and you could make it horrific.
Keep asking questions......we'll do our best to answer them