Lorry driver shortage

[roscoe erf]

What’s a Ltd driver??

its a way round the self employment rules

 

[teslacoils]

I reckon out if my cohort of uni friends, 1/3 have retrained as plumber, plasterer etc; 1/6 are unemployed; 1/6 are in a job that use their degree or the fact they have a degree; 1/3 do a job that a non graduate could do.

Anyway, just been informed that there are naff all lorries about for corn.

 

[Andy26]

Camgrain are at the moment about 18 days for collection, not a criticism, just a heads up for anybody hoping for harvest movement.

Spoke to a friend this morning who relies on harvest movement as no real store as such and Frontier were not able to offer any sort of date of collection at all.

 

[Lincoln75]

When hiring a bricklayer or joiner, would you do so on the basis of their qualification or their ability based on experience/ recommendation?

Education far too often doesn't teach people to do a job, it teaches them to pass a specific test.

In my experience, those who perform best are usually the least qualified and hold their position on merit, not paper.

When big companies hire they generally go for qualified ,they need that for insurance purposes and to know the work will be up to a standard , I`m talking about big projects such as housing estates and bigger, not a retaining wall in some ones garden.
Worth noting as well you wont even get on site to sweep up unless you have a CSCS card , all machine drivers including tractor drivers need to be qualified to drive on construction sites, you cant walk out the farm yard and onto a site , but get a card and you`ll earn at least double the money and finish at six every night.

 

[Lincoln75]

I would love to meet your doctor

Witch doctor ?

 

[Lincoln75]

To be fair many of qualified are actuall useless, as highlighted by our current PM, qualified and out of their depth.
At the end of the day , you employ those who can do the job, not merely on overrated "qualifications".

Total nonsense , you are living 30 years behind the times , you cant even get on site without the right qualifications and safety certificates.

 

[Lincoln75]

Are there really tech colleges left, thought they were training centres were a lot of the students are there to fill in a bit of time. They then go out with an employer as cheap labour, as employer gets lump sum to take em on. Keeps them for so long and then as majority are work shy or not interested or capable, send em packing and get another. Know of landscaping firm that does this. Probably only employs 2 out of every 10. As he says cheap labour, no risk to him, and gets to see his best mate from training college who comes out to assess them every so many weeks. They are not apprenticeship s like previous generations did, learning the ropes base upwards.

Plenty of places to learn a trade ,you start a the bottom "like in the old days " the difference being you are not expected to make tea, fetch breakfast and sweep up for the others. Heres just one https://utcn.org.uk
and another.

If the workplace was like a few on here think it is we`d still be driving a horse and cart , airplanes and computer wouldn't exist.

 

[Renaultman]

Camgrain are at the moment about 18 days for collection, not a criticism, just a heads up for anybody hoping for harvest movement.

Spoke to a friend this morning who relies on harvest movement as no real store as such and Frontier were not able to offer any sort of date of collection at all.

Booked the balance of my OSR and 3 loads of contract farm HEAR OSR with UOS last Thursday. Mine went 6am Saturday morning, the 3 loads of HEAR went today, top service from them.

 

[S J H]

When big companies hire they generally go for qualified ,they need that for insurance purposes and to know the work will be up to a standard , I`m talking about big projects such as housing estates and bigger, not a retaining wall in some ones garden.
Worth noting as well you wont even get on site to sweep up unless you have a CSCS card , all machine drivers including tractor drivers need to be qualified to drive on construction sites, you cant walk out the farm yard and onto a site , but get a card and you`ll earn at least double the money and finish at six every night.

I’m not sure you’ve got that right, I haven’t been on site for a few years, but i was never asked for a qualification. It would be down to the contractor to put the right people on the job.

CSCS cards were needed, but my dog would struggle to fail that exam.

 

[Lincoln75]

I’m not sure you’ve got that right, I haven’t been on site for a few years, but i was never asked for a qualification. It would be down to the contractor to put the right people on the job.

CSCS cards were needed, but my dog would struggle to fail that exam.

I was quoting from a contractor perspective, generally its changed ,most insurance companies are insisting on it and it has reduced accident rates , very few sites allow unqualified machine drivers.

As for you dog I`m sure he is more intelligent than many site labourers , my dog certainly is.

 

[caveman]

Surely, all Red Tractor goods, would need all their transportation to be fully ticketed up to remain "kosher"?

 

[ford7000]

im just going to throw this into the works as well,next year all commercial vehicles between 2.2 and 3.5 will need operators etc.thats going to screw the parcel deliveries etcprivate use will not change tho.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

When big companies hire they generally go for qualified ,they need that for insurance purposes and to know the work will be up to a standard , I`m talking about big projects such as housing estates and bigger, not a retaining wall in some ones garden.
Worth noting as well you wont even get on site to sweep up unless you have a CSCS card , all machine drivers including tractor drivers need to be qualified to drive on construction sites, you cant walk out the farm yard and onto a site , but get a card and you`ll earn at least double the money and finish at six every night.

I didn't ask what a big company would do, I know they have to have all the boxes ticked and can give the crap workers the less important jobs once they know lack ability.

I asked what you would do?

 

[Lincoln75]

I didn't ask what a big company would do, I know they have to have all the boxes ticked and can give the crap workers the less important jobs once they know lack ability.

I asked what you would do?

I`d take any recommendation with a very large pinch of salt as generally they mean very little , from what I`ve seen when I was employing staff ( welders/engineers/machinists) the ones with formal training weren't one trick ponies and climbed higher over the years so they were the ones I`d go for.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I`d take any recommendation with a very large pinch of salt as generally they mean very little , from what I`ve seen when I was employing staff ( welders/engineers/machinists) the ones with formal training climbed higher over the years so they were the ones I`d go for.

Climbed higher in what way?
I expect they got given an office job because they were too f-ing useless at at the task they were meant to do.
If you mean they progressed through their profession then that would be based on showing an aptitude for the job.

 

[Lincoln75]

Climbed higher in what way?
I expect they got given an office job because they were too f-ing useless at at the task they were meant to do.
If you mean they progressed through their profession then that would be based on showing an aptitude for the job.

Careful , you are starting to sound insecure , I meant they went on to be managers and on higher salaries , those with admin skills will always progress and those without will obviously stay where they are , you dont want to be brick laying or roofing in your sixties as you`ll never keep up with the youngsters and end up being made "redundant" ,

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Careful , you are starting to sound insecure , I meant they went on to be managers and on higher salaries , those with admin skills will always progress and those without will obviously stay where they are , you dont want to be brick laying or roofing in your sixties as you`ll never keep up with the youngsters and end up being made "redundant" ,

Is it your standard practice to accuse someone of sounding insecure when your own argument is lacking?

 

[Lincoln75]

Is it your standard practice to accuse someone of sounding insecure when your own argument is lacking?

You are the one insinuating people with admin skills are useless at anything else ,

"I expect they got given an office job because they were too f-ing useless at at the task they were meant to do"

 

[principal skinner]

Camgrain are at the moment about 18 days for collection, not a criticism, just a heads up for anybody hoping for harvest movement.

Spoke to a friend this morning who relies on harvest movement as no real store as such and Frontier were not able to offer any sort of date of collection at all.

On the other hand, wheat cut last week, Don and Zon done Friday, movement today………. Not Frontier

 

[Jackov Altraids]

You are the one insinuating people with admin skills are useless at anything else ,

"I expect they got given an office job because they were too f-ing useless at at the task they were meant to do"

That is a poor interpretation of what I said.

I made no assessment of anyone with admin skills.

You asserted that "what I`ve seen when I was employing staff ( welders/engineers/machinists) the ones with formal training weren't one trick ponies and climbed higher over the years"

What I was pointing out is that what you considered as climbing higher, could well have been due to lack of practical skill in what they were qualified. People with certificates do get a little insecure when the uneducated are performing better than them.

Obviously skilled manual labour jobs are not easily continued as you get older and you are then perfectly skilled for mentoring/ managing. Unfortunately these positions are often filled with those with the qualifications rather than the experience.