Lump Sum Exit Scheme

[Tim W]

Should have been done 30 years ago, one day it will happen.

I don't think it will
I have a horrible suspicion that there will be some kind of ''Carbon credit'' payment linked to land that will just replace the current BPS in due course
Or maybe i'm just a cynical old sod ---- I would be delighted to be proved wrong

 

[Tim W]

It seems quite ironic that the ''Lump sum exit scheme'' is listed under ''Sustainable farming scheme'' on the DEFRA website

 

[unlacedgecko]

I don't think it will
I have a horrible suspicion that there will be some kind of ''Carbon credit'' payment linked to land that will just replace the current BPS in due course
Or maybe i'm just a cynical old sod ---- I would be delighted to be proved wrong

When both Houses of Parliament are stuffed with rich landowners, is it any shock the legislation financially rewards rich landowners through direct payments and tax breaks?

 

[digger64]

The very idea of the govt. paying people to get out of a business because they can't make it stack up seems inherently immoral to me

better than paying people to stay in business growing weeds and selling old rope though perhaps ?

 

[farmerm]

You still get your State Pension and any Personal pensions and investments also?
It's NOT the only money you GOT to live on!!!

Indeed but if the aim really is to encourage retirement it needs to offer a meaningful incentive, I don’t see that it can achieve that.

 

[digger64]

Indeed but if the aim really is to encourage retirement it needs to offer a meaningful incentive, I don’t see that it can achieve that.

Depends how you look at it ,alot are occupying farms and collecting bps/enviro payments as a form of pension whilst sub letting /contracting the work out on the land , this might make slipper farming less attractive to them - still immoral, but would at least let others have more opportunity without constraints , conditions being inflicted by the inactive occupier etc .
I think in France it is illegal to claim both area subsidies and state pension .

 

[ImLost]

8 pages on and I'm still puzzled as to the reason why the government would offer a lump sum exit scheme. Have I missed the vital post?

 

[digger64]

8 pages on and I'm still puzzled as to the reason why the government would offer a lump sum exit scheme. Have I missed the vital post?

To free up the land and get the remaining sub to the person actually taking the risk or enduring the constraints of schemes - if bps etc is to continue then the status quo will be the same and people wont retire whilst they can still claim .
If there were no payments then it would happen FOC but they would loose control as a consequence .

 

[teslacoils]

Average duration for a carehome stay is about 18 months. Say £2000 a week (for a reasonable one as opposed to a gulag) so say 144K for the duration. Spend your last £1000 on paying unlacedgecko to off you with a captive boltgun. He may be prepared to fly to the Bahamas but I don't know the cost of the return flight.

rubbish to that. I'll pay a minor celebrity £144k to suck me off, then throw myself at the mercy of the state, rather than go into a home.

 

[glasshouse]

To free up the land and get the remaining sub to the person actually taking the risk or enduring the constraints of schemes - if bps etc is to continue then the status quo will be the same and people wont retire whilst they can still claim .
If there were no payments then it would happen FOC but they would loose control as a consequence .

The new bps should be paid to working farmers only
They will have to own two working tractors, machinery, a dog, and have a pile of wellies at the door.
All current landlord “farmers” should receive sod all.
And max payout £40,000
And not chargeable to rent

 

[ollie989898]

But also on the flip side all those that pee'd it up against the wall, own nothing have no savings ,on benefits,pension credits etc etc get everything and those with over 6k savings got to whistle?
Funny old World ant it?

I believe the threshold here is 25K but it varies from local authority to local authority?

To be honest, if you are no longer of sound mind will you be that worried about the quality of the carpet or whether the place has a fully stocked gym? Of the establishments I have been in, even the ones that resemble the Ritz are hardly ideal.

 

[B'o'B]

To free up the land and get the remaining sub to the person actually taking the risk or enduring the constraints of schemes - if bps etc is to continue then the status quo will be the same and people wont retire whilst they can still claim .
If there were no payments then it would happen FOC but they would loose control as a consequence .

BPS isn't going to continue!

The new bps should be paid to working farmers only
They will have to own two working tractors, machinery, a dog, and have a pile of wellies at the door.
All current landlord “farmers” should receive sod all.
And max payout £40,000
And not chargeable to rent

There is no new BPS!

New Stewardship Schemes, not new BPS. (not in England at least)

 

[farmerm]

The new bps should be paid to working farmers only
They will have to own two working tractors, machinery, a dog, and have a pile of wellies at the door.
All current landlord “farmers” should receive sod all.
And max payout £40,000
And not chargeable to rent

New BPS? Have I missed something?

 

[farmerm]

BPS isn't going to continue!

There is no new BPS!

New Stewardship Schemes, not new BPS. (not in England at least)

I think the penny is still to drop for some

 

[glasshouse]

New BPS? Have I missed something?

Call it what u like

 

[ollie989898]

The very idea of the govt. paying people to get out of a business because they can't make it stack up seems inherently immoral to me

It is but it will be saving government money in the long run when they are massively reducing the numbers of people who are paid any money for anything.

I think we can all agree that the principles of the CAP have been mutated or distorted well beyond their original aims. I would be inclined to agree that some farms (not necessarily landowners) would be easier to justify for government grants and the like, but I would lean it toward grants for infrastructure or buildings so that the money -in effect- is actually being re-spent into the economy and probably at a local level, too.

I find the idea of paying farm businesses to do X or Y, which are often activities they would be directly or indirectly carrying out anyway a bit baffling to be honest. Pay arable farmers to direct drill, pay upland farmers to graze area Z etc etc etc. It's all a nonsense. Cross compliance is a nonsense as well. I'd just stick to big fines where pollution is caused and leave advisory guidelines in place where needed.

 

[farmerm]

To free up the land and get the remaining sub to the person actually taking the risk or enduring the constraints of schemes - if bps etc is to continue then the status quo will be the same and people wont retire whilst they can still claim .
If there were no payments then it would happen FOC but they would loose control as a consequence .

Rather delusional post I am afraid. Any future subs after BPS are not for supporting those taking the risk of farming but rather for channelling income into environmental measures. Oh and don’t worry about control, they may loose the option to withhold the carrot but be sure they will happy to wave the stick. Is it necessary for the actions of construction and manufacturing businesses to controlled by the threat of withheld subsidies? No. Why would farming be any different?

 

[farmerm]

Call it what u like

Countryside stewardship, mark 2...

 

[ollie989898]

I thought someone had discussed this with the ministry and the total available funds for the scheme in total was nothing like that spent for BPS at the moment?

 

[Still Farming]

I believe the threshold here is 25K but it varies from local authority to local authority?

To be honest, if you are no longer of sound mind will you be that worried about the quality of the carpet or whether the place has a fully stocked gym? Of the establishments I have been in, even the ones that resemble the Ritz are hardly ideal.

Not certain the % that will never go into a home or hospital and can manage at their home with family and on well below state pension rates too.