Managing pasture by cutting and leaving long grass?

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
I think a good compromise, is what I used to see in Herefordshire, fields with Sally trees in the hedges, that are cropped every 7 years or so, I know the wood spits when burnt, however a lot of wood is now going for bio mas boilers, so not an issue I would guess.
Linear managed woodland is exactly what hedges are for. I spotted a sad, overgrown block of subsidy woodland the other day, and was able to take a good look at it with binoculars from a gateway. All a dark jungle within what the map shows as once being a productive 7 acre pasture. The only alive area is the outer edge of the block, which is only one side. Hedges have two sides.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Linear managed woodland is exactly what hedges are for. I spotted a sad, overgrown block of subsidy woodland the other day, and was able to take a good look at it with binoculars from a gateway. All a dark jungle within what the map shows as once being a productive 7 acre pasture. The only alive area is the outer edge of the block, which is only one side. Hedges have two sides.
that is why I have such a dislike for the current obsession with tree planting, the most exciting areas are the edges or areas of change, so I am convinces as mentioned above, the "Savanah" landscape is the most productive for wildlife with small irregular copses. But that landscape does not fit in with our "tidy" minds. Just had a coffee, so am going to get off my arse and continue putting up a fence on 250m of hedge bank/ditch I plan to plant up this winter. I know partly the fence is to keep the stock out of the newly cleaned out ditch, and also to continue double fencing the boundary (stop anyone giving anyone else scab etc), but I will pop in some whips on the bank this winter (if they aren't too expensive, not that long ago I was paying 18p each, last winter 75p!). Plan to pop a few Golden Chain cuttings in too, but haven't had too much success with that so far, but they are free so I can live with that! And, if it is allowed to grow up, it makes great wood for the fire too.
 

Longlowdog

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
Golden Chain a.k.a laburnum is wickedly poisonous...isn't it?
My double fenced hedge, planted without state aid (so what I like) has 5 types of rose, hawthorn, blackthorne, crab apple, guilder rose (viburnum opulis), elder flower and a few others I can't remember. I can pretty much guarantee it does more for the local environment than any solitary trees in a grass field. In addition to the larder of food for the beasties it has the added bonus that the scent of the roses at this time of year is so borderline narcotic it should be illegal.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Golden Chain a.k.a laburnum is wickedly poisonous...isn't it?
My double fenced hedge, planted without state aid (so what I like) has 5 types of rose, hawthorn, blackthorne, crab apple, guilder rose (viburnum opulis), elder flower and a few others I can't remember. I can pretty much guarantee it does more for the local environment than any solitary trees in a grass field. In addition to the larder of food for the beasties it has the added bonus that the scent of the roses at this time of year is so borderline narcotic it should be illegal.
yes, I believe Golden Chain is poisonous, however there is lots in this part of West Wales in the hedges, no idea why, someone said, they thought that there had been stuff coming into Cardigan port in Golden Chain crates and locals used the wood for fencing (and it took), anyway it looks lovely when it flowers, and if or when it gets big it is really hard and when made into logs they burn for a long time. Doesn't seem to affect any stock, so no problems there.
 

Moors Lad

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Location
N Yorks
On balance, they're good for soil fertility, with deeper roots etc. But you don't get ought for nought.
How on earth can they be good for soil fertility? Just what are they putting in to the soil - it all looks like take, take, take.. to me?

Others are notorious for taking first dibs on nutrients....ash famously.
Lots of Ash and Oak around here and that`s exactly my point...
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
How on earth can they be good for soil fertility? Just what are they putting in to the soil - it all looks like take, take, take.. to me?


Lots of Ash and Oak around here and that`s exactly my point...
Deciduous trees convert lots of CO2 into leaves (and oxygen), which then obligingly blow about the place come autumn.
Some of the carbon in them inevitably ends up under the surface as organic matter.

I wouldn't worry about your ash...they don't have long now.
And having oaks cycling nutrients about can't be a bad thing can it?
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
plus plant roots exchange sugars with mycorrhizal fungi for nutrients, therefore helping to sequester carbon in the soil.
Deciduous trees convert lots of CO2 into leaves (and oxygen), which then obligingly blow about the place come autumn.
Some of the carbon in them inevitably ends up under the surface as organic matter.

I wouldn't worry about your ash...they don't have long now.
And having oaks cycling nutrients about can't be a bad thing can i
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
When I was a boy , relations in Gwent ran poultry inc geese in orchards. Depends on the area and interest and fox proof fences!
Years ago, foxes were controlled. I was shown a cutting from a local paper that must be 50 years old by now. "Mr X shot a fox". Such a rarity that it made the local news. Google foxes these days and you will learn how to humanely discourage them from raiding your dustbin and from digging up your garden!
 

BAF

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Livestock Farmer
Years ago, foxes were controlled. I was shown a cutting from a local paper that must be 50 years old by now. "Mr X shot a fox". Such a rarity that it made the local news. Google foxes these days and you will learn how to humanely discourage them from raiding your dustbin and from digging up your garden!
Theyre hammered nowadays with the advent of night vision and now thermal technology. I saw a bloke the other night had 15 in one night.
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
Deciduous trees convert lots of CO2 into leaves (and oxygen), which then obligingly blow about the place come autumn.
Some of the carbon in them inevitably ends up under the surface as organic matter.

I wouldn't worry about your ash...they don't have long now.
And having oaks cycling nutrients about can't be a bad thing can it?
Have thought it many times and still do. Around here there are oak trees everywhere. Every hedge has at least 3, all that remains of ancient hedges from before the wars are the lines of big old oak trees. People say “oh don’t they look lovely”

no, they are frigging horrible. Every single year they drop thousands of damn acorns on the floor. The sheep and cattle go mad for them and run kilos of their backs chasing damn acorns! People tell me I should move the sheep away in acorn season. Move them to where?! Every single field on the farm has at least 4 either in the hedges or stand alone.
Given the chance I’d drop the lot, bulldoze into a gully somewhere and leave for the bugs and birds and replant them all as Beech, Sycamore or Horse Chestnut. We’ve got odd ones around the place and they look stunning with the added bonus of the stock don’t bother with conkers, mast or sycy seeds!
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Have thought it many times and still do. Around here there are oak trees everywhere. Every hedge has at least 3, all that remains of ancient hedges from before the wars are the lines of big old oak trees. People say “oh don’t they look lovely”

no, they are frigging horrible. Every single year they drop thousands of damn acorns on the floor. The sheep and cattle go mad for them and run kilos of their backs chasing damn acorns! People tell me I should move the sheep away in acorn season. Move them to where?! Every single field on the farm has at least 4 either in the hedges or stand alone.
Given the chance I’d drop the lot, bulldoze into a gully somewhere and leave for the bugs and birds and replant them all as Beech, Sycamore or Horse Chestnut. We’ve got odd ones around the place and they look stunning with the added bonus of the stock don’t bother with conkers, mast or sycy seeds!
winch em over one at a time on stormy nights...'oh dear, another windblow'!

(call me if they've got straight shake free butts, or lots of burr....could be worth more than the land)
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Cutting hay every year and putting nothing back will turn the land into a Baron waste land , either top it with a mulcher or graze it , you also need to do a soil test to see how you stand
Not always the case.
I took hay off some ground for decades which never had anything put back. Yield settled around 5-6 round bales to the acre
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
If you`ve ever seen what a car CAN`T do when it hits a tree at speed you`d no doubt realise that it`d take one SERIOUS winch to shift an oak tree.................

It`s sometimes nice if they do shake a little....💃
oh I think when the old Boughton's wire rope starts to creak, and the County is standing up on the anchors....something soon gives!;)
 

Jonp

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Gwent
oh I think when the old Boughton's wire rope starts to creak, and the County is standing up on the anchors....something soon gives!;)
In a previous life used countys with Boughtons on the back to pull drilling rigs across difficult terrain or up hill sides. Good for pulling big trees out of the way too. Seriously powerful winches when the anchor bites.
 

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