Mark Spencer wanting better assurances for urea stewardship

[DrWazzock]

If it is more expensive to obtain that is a good thing. I doubt people are going to mug or rob people or commit burglaries trying to obtain the money to buy nitrous oxide for fudgesake.

Being cheap is the reason a lot of people turn to particular drugs in the first place, ketamine being a prime example.

If they aren’t inhaling nitrous oxide they’ll still be doing something. Which substance would you rather they took?
This measure is simply a pre election sop to the daily Mail readers just as the neonics ban was. The committee of experts declared there’d be no benefit criminalising nitrous oxide usage but weren’t listened to by government who are simply desperate for populist soundbite measures.

 

[ollie989898]

If they aren’t inhaling nitrous oxide they’ll still be doing something. Which substance would you rather they took?
This measure is simply a pre election sop to the daily Mail readers just as the neonics ban was. The committee of experts declared there’d be no benefit criminalising nitrous oxide usage but weren’t listened to by government who are simply desperate for populist soundbite measures.

They will do something, long term exposure to nitrous oxide causes neurological issues- not the sort of thing that can be 'cured' very readily. They will of course look for the next thing, which we can ban in turn.

 

[DrWazzock]

Wasn’t the “gas” used at the dentists also nitrous oxide. I don’t remember laughing very much but it certainly knocked me out and hallucinated big time during tooth extraction. I think they “lost” a few patients with it as far as I remember but it was the ‘70’s so just “one of those things” Then it got banned.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Yup, they used nitrous oxide back in the day. Dunno what killed off it's use in the dentist's torture chamber though. High cost or the fact that it wears off pretty quickly? You'll still find it used widely in the NHS though (Entonox, a mix of oxygen and nitrous oxide).

My personal opinion is that the best use for nitrous oxide is in a wet shot kit on a drag car...

 

[Two Tone]

The reason why M&S regards RT as the Police force to enforce what they see as ‘Environmental rules that will attract more customers to M&S shops’ is that they believe that most farmers are members of the NFU - which they aren’t, by a long way!

And that as RT is an NFU owned organisation, it must be right - which it also isn’t!

On top of which, everybody that supplies Livestock to M&S knows, on top of having to be RT assured, you also have to assured by M&S and Waitrose’s own scheme via Dovecote Park’s on top of RT!

So Why TF do they need or want RT to tighten their rules on Urea, when M&S could simply do so with their own rules?

Answer:
Just to get the M&S name talked about more, that might encourage Jo Public to use them more. Simples!


This typically describes the whole Environmental / CO2 scam/woke nonsense we farmers take the brunt of.

 

[T Hectares]

The reason why M&S regards RT as the Police force to enforce what they see as ‘Environmental rules that will attract more customers to M&S shops’ is that they believe that most farmers are members of the NFU - which they aren’t, by a long way!

And that as RT is an NFU owned organisation, it must be right - which it also isn’t!

On top of which, everybody that supplies Livestock to M&S knows, on top of having to be RT assured, you also have to assured by M&S and Waitrose’s own scheme via Dovecote Park’s on top of RT!

So Why TF do they need or want RT to tighten their rules on Urea, when M&S could simply do so with their own rules?

Answer:
Just to get the M&S name talked about more, that might encourage Jo Public to use them more. Simples!


This typically describes the whole Environmental / CO2 scam/woke nonsense we farmers take the brunt of.

Easy @Two Tone, this thread is about Mark Spencer the Secretary of State, not Marks and Spencer purveyors of over priced convenience meals…

 

[Two Tone]

Easy @Two Tone, this thread is about Mark Spencer the Secretary of State, not Marks and Spencer purveyors of over priced convenience meals…

Oh sh!t. I think I need a new pair of glasses!!

Mind you, which one is the Pun of the other?

 

[T Hectares]

Oh sh!t. I think I need a new pair of glasses!!

Mind you, which one is the Pun of the other?

Although there is comedy value it letting you carry on ranting against M&S, I like you too much as a poster to not point the missing & out

 

[Two Tone]

Fancy calling yourself the same name as a rather well known purveyor of overpriced convenience meals, and making it sound like they are the ones wanting to get RT to do your dirty work for you, rather than the Government!
Especially the very Government department he is in charge of.

FFS, what a dirty trick to play.

Do you wonder if it smacks of the sort of thing a certain Prime Minister with a German sounding name, would attempt to get away with?

The only thing that redeems Mark Spencer is that his middle name is Steven and not Andrew.
Or even worse de Pfeffel!

 

[Sid]

The "research" is saying urea is an emitter of ammonia. That's difficult to argue.

The right practice is to apply at the right time when it's cool and when rain is imminent. The date is arbitrary and RT appearance is reverse engineered to keep it relevant.

I want to know how a private company is the only conduit by which this is legally enforcable? Have the governmental lawyers checked this out. Good question for the BFU to ask

Can't think of anywhere where private companies collect data for government agencies.

So RT members get put on the naughty step if they've applied urea after 31st March, and are only allowed off the step if they pay £195 to go on the BASIS course

Same with doing a course for injecting livestock
Now milksure for ABs

I can't see how it's legal for RT to be doing the govts work. Are there any parallels you can think of?

There are plenty of private companies that do inspection or roles within a legal frame work for government.
Private Bailiffs enforce Court judgements.
G4S process prisoners
Post office check documentation for taxing vehicles

Are those not similarities

 

[ajd132]

The reason why M&S regards RT as the Police force to enforce what they see as ‘Environmental rules that will attract more customers to M&S shops’ is that they believe that most farmers are members of the NFU - which they aren’t, by a long way!

And that as RT is an NFU owned organisation, it must be right - which it also isn’t!

On top of which, everybody that supplies Livestock to M&S knows, on top of having to be RT assured, you also have to assured by M&S and Waitrose’s own scheme via Dovecote Park’s on top of RT!

So Why TF do they need or want RT to tighten their rules on Urea, when M&S could simply do so with their own rules?

Answer:
Just to get the M&S name talked about more, that might encourage Jo Public to use them more. Simples!


This typically describes the whole Environmental / CO2 scam/woke nonsense we farmers take the brunt of.

Mark Spencer is a human not a shop!

 

[Two Tone]

Mark Spencer is a human not a shop!

So I gather (now I have cleaned my reading glasses!).

 

[Courier]

Easy @Two Tone, this thread is about Mark Spencer the Secretary of State, not Marks and Spencer purveyors of over priced convenience meals…

Somehow I think his parents had a misguided sense of “humour”.

M+S began trading in 1884 so I doubt they didn’t realise the anomaly, unless their genes were thicker than three short planks and and then passed on via inheritance.

Incidentally but somewhat topical, Michael Marks was an immigrant to the UK having been born a polish Jew in Belarus.

 

[Barleymow]

So I gather (now I have cleaned my reading glasses!).

Well I thought it was the shop too and I had my glasses on

 

[Two Tone]

No matter if we are talking about Mark Spenser MP or M&S the shop, there is far too much of the woke nonsense going on, based on bad science and an individual’s or organisations stupidity.

For example, Mr Spencer’s role within government thinking that an NGO (RT) controlled by another NGO (NFU) can in effect control the use of Urea.

Is the twit on another planet?
RT have already banned its unprotected use after 1st April, with an exemption this year, due to the high prices and supply issues of AN.

Despite my mistake in reading the title of this thread, I quoted my concern re M&S on another tread yesterday regarding its own ‘wokeness’ with wanting both RT assurance and its own additional Assurance measures on top.
Which many who have experienced them will think are easier to pass each inspection than the RT version.

Do we realise that this is deliberate insofar that the get RT to do the dirtiest bit of the equation for them?
Therefore making it appear that the M&S bit is easy!

It appears to me that both M + S culprits have a lot to answer for.

 

[Two Tone]

I do hope Mark Spenser and the rest of his party are not counting on my vote come the next election.

The Government Department he is Minister of (EFRA) isn’t fit for purpose.
It cannot pay us farmers for our Countryside Stewardship Agreements until and unless we get an NGO Charity, being FCN (Farming Community Network) involved to get RPA to do its job properly!

Twice now, I have been advised by RPA to get in touch with FCN to get paid.
Firstly, they blame the mapping department.
Then comes the question: Are you in financial difficulties? How desperate are you for the money?
Answers such as: My BPS was 25% down on what it was 3 years ago, they seem to understand.
But though they say they will to try speed up delivery our payment, they strongly advise that unless we contact FCN, nothing will get done.

FCN was founded as the Farming Crisis Network and changed its name in 2013.
Perhaps it should revert back to its original name.


On top of which, before filling in this year’s BPS and CS forms, RPA want us to get any mapping issues in order!
Presentation of any RLE1’ s will undoubtedly delay any future payments.
So why bother?

 

[Steevo]

Been some discussion on the Fertiliser Price Tracker thread about whether the urease inhibitors used in the protected urea are safe for farmers health. OPs, formaldehyde etc.

At the very minimum it will make yet another perfect issue for a future series of Clarkson’s Farm. The government seem to be the gift that keeps on giving for Jeremy - and I’m sure he would be only too happy to point out the craziness of the government’s logic.

 

[Two Tone]

Maybe Mr Spencer ought to get his priorities right and understand why most of the rest of the world has banned AN fertilisers and therefore only use Urea:

ANFO - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Especially this bit:
The ANFO car bomb was adopted by the Provisional IRA in 1972 and, by 1973, the Troubles were consuming 21,000 kilograms (47,000 pounds) of ammonium nitrate for the majority of bombs.[15] The Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) also made use of ANFO bombs, often mixing in gelignite as a booster, in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings of May 1974 which killed 34 people & injured almost 300, ANFO car bombs were used in Dublin.[16] The IRA detonated an ANFO truck bomb on Bishopsgate in London in 1993, killing one and causing £350 million in damage.

Ammonium Nitrate - Commercial Explosives | Blasting Services - EPC-UK

Ammonium Nitrate is a white crystalline, dry prill with the chemical formula NH4NO3. It is made by reacting nitric acid with anhydrous ammonia under very carefully controlled conditions.

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