McHale fusion

[wdah/him]

what is the overall height of the 650/45 22.5. is it possible to move the axle back a bit on the fusion to put more weight on the tractor, or is that a stupid question

 

[kill]

what is the overall height of the 650/45 22.5. is it possible to move the axle back a bit on the fusion to put more weight on the tractor, or is that a stupid question

I really don't think that will work as a Fusion is just so compact that everything has its place

 

[Wellytrack]

You'll need a wider rim with an offset centre. I can get you the measurements for either 650s or 750s. Optional tyre from McHale is a 650/50R22.5. I'd like to try a BKT FL-635 pattern in a 650/55R22.5 but I'm not 100% sure it'll fit, that pattern in a 750/45R22.5 works well

Thanks, it's a F1 if that makes a difference. 650/50 may make the difference without going too wide. Guessing the 750 would add almost a foot to its width?

 

[Boohoo]

what is the overall height of the 650/45 22.5. is it possible to move the axle back a bit on the fusion to put more weight on the tractor, or is that a stupid question

BKTs are 1150mm, 100mm less than the 650 Verdestein. Personally I wouldn't reduce tyre height and go from a radial to a crossply but each to their own. You couldn't move the axle back but it might be possible to space it away from the chassis to get 750s on with a more manageable overall width.

 

[Boohoo]

Thanks, it's a F1 if that makes a difference. 650/50 may make the difference without going too wide. Guessing the 750 would add almost a foot to its width?

750 BKTs make a Fusion 3 10ft 4 wide, here's a post I put on another Fusion thread back in September

750/45r22.5 fit on a Fusion 3 ok, would need to space the axle to go bigger.
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10ft 4 wide overall, offside wheel could go in a bit but nearside wheel is as close to the chain as you'd want it. BKT tyres aren't as rounded as the old Vredesteins and have a more open tread pattern so hopefully they'll keep turning.

 

[James]

750 BKTs make a Fusion 3 10ft 4 wide, here's a post I put on another Fusion thread back in September

Yeah that's not to work for me
Centre of outside tyre is over white line on main roads round here if I want to stay off the kerb never mind lanes and gates

 

[Boohoo]

Yeah that's not to work for me
Centre of outside tyre is over white line on main roads round here if I want to stay off the kerb never mind lanes and gates

You wouldn't go everywhere with them around here either. The 650s will likely go back on if this year is more normal. Before he got the 750s he was running 2 Fusions side by side on 650s, one with Vredestein, the other Nokian. The Nokians did less damage and if they did cut in were more likely to keep turning.

 

[Greenhorn]

what is the overall height of the 650/45 22.5. is it possible to move the axle back a bit on the fusion to put more weight on the tractor, or is that a stupid question

Not stupid, but no not possible because you will be hitting the wrapper ring

 

[manttys]

I had a bad year a couple years ago as very quickly spent over 4k in repairs. 2x new tyres, a roller with sprocket and bearings, pickup cam as a bearing went, a few chains and both those sendors on the wrapper unit as those for a 1000 Bale user will be as regular as anyone else at 12-24 months and around £200 x2 and a PTO shaft which Fusions eat for fun.

what happened to the tires? I had a crack on the side, tire repair shop told me it is irreparable. Because I had to get going the same morning, managed to find a tube that size and put it in, also repaired the tire. It saved my day and the season. So will buy a few more inner tubes to have in stock for cheap repairs. Inner tube costs 50 quid compared to 700 for the tire.

 

[kill]

what happened to the tires? I had a crack on the side, tire repair shop told me it is irreparable. Because I had to get going the same morning, managed to find a tube that size and put it in, also repaired the tire. It saved my day and the season. So will buy a few more inner tubes to have in stock for cheap repairs. Inner tube costs 50 quid compared to 700 for the tire.

I had a major repair done but I had a slow leak and several litre's of gunk wouldn't fix it so they came of for tubeless tyres that could run tubeless as my tyre fitters said they wouldn't fit tubes

 

[manttys]

well, original vrederstein floatation pros definitely fit tubes no problem..

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I did that, it’s bloody luxury not having to set off at 9pm to wrap the bales you have spent all day baling, wish I’d bought one years ago. Mine had 20k on a couple of years ago when I bought it and been faultless so far. (tempting fate)

It is much worse when you make a couple of hundred thousand through McHale Fusions and then go to baling with an RP12 and single satellite wrapper for a laugh

Makes you wonder why you said yes to it!!
Very very intensive and so dreadfully slow by comparison.

 

[Wellytrack]

It is much worse when you make a couple of hundred thousand through McHale Fusions and then go to baling with an RP12 and single satellite wrapper for a laugh

Makes you wonder why you said yes to it!!
Very very intensive and so dreadfully slow by comparison.

You should have got someone to beat you with a thorny bush whilst you where at it.......

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Thanks, it's a F1 if that makes a difference. 650/50 may make the difference without going too wide. Guessing the 750 would add almost a foot to its width?

..these are on a F3+ but yes - about 6 inches out the side, he put a flare on to save tar spots (contractor)

 

[hally]

It is much worse when you make a couple of hundred thousand through McHale Fusions and then go to baling with an RP12 and single satellite wrapper for a laugh

Makes you wonder why you said yes to it!!
Very very intensive and so dreadfully slow by comparison.

Aye and for a while after the late night finishes we used to tow a hs2000 behind the baler, not for boys to play with on a bank

 

[Kiwi Pete]

You should have got someone to beat you with a thorny bush whilst you where at it.......

I just about pulled my fingernails off for fun!

Brutal... I said yes because I thought it would be a fun thing for a sunday... two of his tractors retired with thrust bearing failure.. flat tyre.. burst hose on the wrapper... what a sideshow!
Ended up grabbing my tractor and finished at midnight, 59 bales

 

[Wellytrack]

I just about pulled my fingernails off for fun!

Brutal... I said yes because I thought it would be a fun thing for a sunday... two of his tractors retired with thrust bearing failure.. flat tyre.. burst hose on the wrapper... what a sideshow!
Ended up grabbing my tractor and finished at midnight, 59 bales

I've been 'pulled in' to shite like that before too. It's a painful day but the schadenfreude helps.

I thought my stuff was scrap til a day with that stuff.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I've been 'pulled in' to shite like that before too. It's a painful day but the schadenfreude helps.

I thought my stuff was scrap til a day with that stuff.

Too true.
I won't hex my old Same Explorer but it felt like something fancy by the end of the day (she is very special to me, much sentiment as well) to make matters much worse there was a contractor baling away with a fusion and put out 220 bales in about 4 hours and gone.
If you have a row in front of a Fusion one and good wind, they will keep up with the wrapper all day long. About 55 per hour on average good going I found. Plus on contour a huge advantage being able to place two bales and attack a slope empty, just keep the slides and slots at the back in good order and the chains nipped up and they are hard to beat by any amount of complication - I think simplicity and good engineering will have the history books singing their praise in years to come.
We have had other combies on demo but they were really complex and no better for it IMO, not all 'rose tinting'

 

[Wellytrack]

Too true.
I won't hex my old Same Explorer but it felt like something fancy by the end of the day (she is very special to me, much sentiment as well) to make matters much worse there was a contractor baling away with a fusion and put out 220 bales in about 4 hours and gone.
If you have a row in front of a Fusion one and good wind, they will keep up with the wrapper all day long. About 55 per hour on average good going I found. Plus on contour a huge advantage being able to place two bales and attack a slope empty, just keep the slides and slots at the back in good order and the chains nipped up and they are hard to beat by any amount of complication - I think simplicity and good engineering will have the history books singing their praise in years to come.
We have had other combies on demo but they were really complex and no better for it IMO, not all 'rose tinting'

There are certain advantages to a Fusion I hadn't considered. Yes the output and 'one man operation' was the main attraction but being able to transfer and wrap a bale in little annoying short points was a bonus - not having to jog off in reverse to deposit it, but then leave it off on the way round for another row.

Leaving a wrapped bale off with 6 layers on, wrapped tighter than a tight thing it didn't matter about ruts muck or sh!t, it's wrapped and done and no muck, clay or water hoovered up with a green bale.

They are still not for everyone imo, I'm happy enough to use it, some people should really be advised to stay well away and keep the stand alone if they already have a good baler and wrapper.

I underestimated the tug they take - and hydraulic demand.

 

[manttys]

hi. I ordered some mchale knifes from Poland and they came slightly different (last time they were spot on). Should I be concerned about chopping quality?