Michael Gove and the Conservatives did this.

[DrWazzock]

Isn't this a symptom of a broken agricultural system, when the only crop or one of the only viable crops is dependent on a banned chemical?

All crops are now dependent on chemicals to achieve the yields needed to feed the over population. One by one the chemicals are being banned by people who don’t understand or trust technology but instead have a misplaced faith in a benevolent Mother Nature who they think will sort everything out if only we’d cut her enough slack. Our leaders being classically educated, not educated in sciences and technology have a deep mistrust of anything technological, preferring instead to rely on a romantic view of rural affairs, hence the policy of leaving it all to nature, rewilding etc. Well it could work but not in the way they expect. Mother Nature will not feed 70 million people. Bird strips and pollinator mix will not do the work of genius and targetted pesticides with a better safety record than anything that went before them. What we have at present is an abdication of responsibility to supply and support the ever increasing population : an increase that no politician even comments on.
At village and local economy level we’d be in deep trouble. Crop and economic failure on an unprecedented level. Wastage and shortage of home produced supply while we grow flowers and birdseed. I’ve probably lost £20k on my OSR this year and wheat growing too suffers as a result of now very limited break crops.
I just see what’s in front of me. Declining real economic output. A rural economy evermore dependent on taxpayer handouts. Reliance on imports grown using the chemicals they banned here. Let’s hope it’s all worth it in the end but honestly I have serious doubts.

 

[Devil's advocate]

Imo, a vote for anything other than Reform UK is a vote for the shitty road that we find ourselves going down...

Leaders partner is a vegan

 

[Devil's advocate]

All crops are now dependent on chemicals to achieve the yields needed to feed the over population. One by one the chemicals are being banned by people who don’t understand or trust technology but instead have a misplaced faith in a benevolent Mother Nature who they think will sort everything out if only we’d cut her enough slack. Our leaders being classically educated, not educated in sciences and technology have a deep mistrust of anything technological, preferring instead to rely on a romantic view of rural affairs, hence the policy of leaving it all to nature, rewilding etc. Well it could work but not in the way they expect. Mother Nature will not feed 70 million people. Bird strips and pollinator mix will not do the work of genius and targetted pesticides with a better safety record than anything that went before them. What we have at present is an abdication of responsibility to supply and support the ever increasing population : an increase that no politician even comments on.
At village and local economy level we’d be in deep trouble. Crop and economic failure on an unprecedented level. Wastage and shortage of home produced supply while we grow flowers and birdseed. I’ve probably lost £20k on my OSR this year and wheat growing too suffers as a result of now very limited break crops.
I just see what’s in front of me. Declining real economic output. A rural economy evermore dependent on taxpayer handouts. Reliance on imports grown using the chemicals they banned here. Let’s hope it’s all worth it in the end but honestly I have serious doubts.

Other than that are you happy?

 

[willyorkshire]

Other than that are you happy?

Doesn't sound very happy.

 

[killie_cowboy]

Leaders partner is a vegan

Good for her, I don't think her ideology will get far with moat party members, the likes of Lee Anderson. Immigration is an existential threat to our nation, our people and our culture. They also will cut things like ULEZ, invest big time in British electricity production as well as allowing new British oil and coal ventures.

 

[BrianV]

Countries fecked!

BBC NEWS​

UK government borrowing higher than forecast​

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[CPF]

Gove has done more damage to the Conservatives than any other MP.

As said ,GOVE ruined the Education system and everything else he has poked his nose in.... To use one of Jethro`s sayings..............He is a w%nker, pity his father wasn`t.

There on dirt on Gove.
Not into reading books like this but was recommended to read it . And I have a pass the advice on and still doing it.

 

[Widgetone]

Got to hand it to Gove, a great survivor.

 

[CPF]

Got to hand it to Gove, a great survivor.

If you read the book you will know why.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I just see what’s in front of me. Declining real economic output. A rural economy evermore dependent on taxpayer handouts. Reliance on imports grown using the chemicals they banned here. Let’s hope it’s all worth it in the end but honestly I have serious doubts.

You make it sound like this is something new. As for viable break crops, SFI looks very appealing to me.

 

[yellow belly]

OK I've edited it

i could add margaret becket the worst ag minister ever

 

[DrWazzock]

You make it sound like this is something new. As for viable break crops, SFI looks very appealing to me.

On a personal level yes I’ve a good mind to take DEFRA for a ride paying me for birdseed and flowers. I’d be alright Jack. But what we seem to forget is that this is public money going down the pan. Even if we profit from it there’s no wealth creation, no net gain in tax to pay for public services. It’s just recycling taxpayers money in an ever decreasing circle of lower productivity and output and as we see higher government borrowing and imports. If I put a collection bowl out at the roadside for public donations for these public goods, how much do you think I’d collect?
Anyway, never mind, the wheat price is rising. Glad I persevered with ours. Wonder how long it is before the BBC runs another food price inflation piece? If they’d any sense DEFRA would continue BPS to help get us through this difficult weather but sense seems to have disappeared. It’s all about growing masses of stuff nobody needs now while food supplies get more difficult and expensive. This will come home to roost …. again.

 

[MrNoo]

Watch the latest Harry's farm, he touches on break crops and food security.

But the NFU were on the food security committee that wrote the report (he was talking about the recent food security report by Dimbleby). I noticed Minette Batters was part of the committee.

Yes I noticed it too, you couldn’t make it up in your wildest dreams.

 

[britishblue]

Leaders partner is a vegan

So was that Carrie Antoinette! I think Richard Tice's Reform will have it's issues but for me the status quo need's upset and I could see Reform do that! Voting Tory for the last 38 years is in the past for me!

 

[DrWazzock]

SFI, by going too large on environmental goods will actually create a public backlash against environmentalism in my view. When folk see thousands of acres of birdseed while the price of food rises they’ll rightly question WTF is going on. Maybe that will be a good thing!

 

[willyorkshire]

So was that Carrie Antoinette! I think Richard Tice's Reform will have it's issues but for me the status quo need's upset and I could see Reform do that! Voting Tory for the last 38 years is in the past for me!

Ag policy will change under Labour. Whether it'll be good or bad for us is anybody's guess. As my father used to say and my 94yr old father in law constantly reminds me, 'Farmers do better under Labour". Neither ever voted Labour!

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

SFI, by going too large on environmental goods will actually create a public backlash against environmentalism in my view. When folk see thousands of acres of birdseed while the price of food rises they’ll rightly question WTF is going on. Maybe that will be a good thing!

You don't think they'll question why farmers can't keep producing at a loss while the supermarkets clock up profits in the billions?

 

[DrWazzock]

You don't think they'll question why farmers can't keep producing at a loss while the supermarkets clock up profits in the billions?

They’ll just see farmers getting paid to produce non food crops while food gets more expensive in the shops. Supermarkets margins on turnover aren’t particularly high as a percentage of turnover anyway. It’s just that their turnover is massive. Trying to shift the blame onto supermarkets for what is a DEFRA engineered shortage of supply just won’t hold water.

 

[DrWazzock]

I’m not really interested in esoteric theories and ideas but retaining BPS even at 50% woyld have been sensible for the following reasons:
To help us through severe weather events.
To help us meet the higher costs and crop failures we bear due to tighter regulations, restrictions and quality standards.
To help us compete with lower cost lower standard imports they allow in.
The reality is that with this wet winter, many farm businesses will be financially strained like never before. Support via BPS would be sensible.

 

[Hilly]

I’m not really interested in esoteric theories and ideas but retaining BPS even at 50% woyld have been sensible for the following reasons:
To help us through severe weather events.
To help us meet the higher costs and crop failures we bear due to tighter regulations, restrictions and quality standards.
To help us compete with lower cost lower standard imports they allow in.
The reality is that with this wet winter, many farm businesses will be financially strained like never before. Support via BPS would be sensible.

50% of my bps wouldnt even pay for the weekly shopping … yet i have to compete with big olayers getting 100s thousands , stick your bps its shyt .