Milk Price Tracker

[yin ewe]

Could you make enough? Very tempting, one full time staff

Probably not but I had a part time job for years along with it.
Got free range layers now along with the cows but still do a few hours a week at work, keeps the head right if nothing else.

 

[lazy farmer]

But could make a bloody good living on a lot less coos, red diesel 7p a litre, water and leccy insignificant costs, feed and fert well below £100/ton.

Yeap with zero responsibility for the butter mountain that was growing and growing and oh by the way growing .

 

[pappuller]

Could you make enough? Very tempting, one full time staff

Not a chance to live as we do now.

 

[pappuller]

Yeap with zero responsibility for the butter mountain that was growing and growing and oh by the way growing .

Think you'll find oversupply only really kicked in around 1980 then we moved into the golden age of the quota millionaires

 

[lazy farmer]

Think you'll find oversupply only really kicked in around 1980 then we moved into the golden age of the quota millionaires

Butter mountain - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[lazy farmer]

and the reason guv is so keen on efficiency.

a 40% grant to farmers, for 'technology', is in fact creating a market for the high tec firms, our 60% can only go to those firms.

in making us more 'efficient', they hope we will produce more food, at less cost, so keeping food inflation down.

the problem is simple, if we spend money on technology, are the returns going to cover the expenses. For many, the answer may be no.

but the tech industry has had a good bung.

Woe is me

 

[Bert Jansch]

fully agree innovation and efficiencies have changed the industry imeasurably but christ life would be good with just 1 robot and 60 cows.........

I don’t know, I make a good living from 50 cows now, and I’ve still a lot of room for improvement which I’m gradually instigating. Paid off bank debt last year so for the first time I’m actually spending my own money. Suppose it depends on the amount of wages you need out of the business

 

[Bert Jansch]

Not a chance to live as we do now.

Do you not get bored of all the cocaine and hookers?

 

[Dead Rabbits]

But the 70s was a decade when dairying could put you alot of cash in the bank, parents married and moved to a rented 60 acre British rail farm in 1969 that was in a right state. Started milking with 1 cow given by gramps,maxed the herd to 40 and by 1981 they'd saved £40k to be able to buy the farm when Maggie sold of the nationalised assets.
Things were so much simpler back then, taking calves to market I remember father just loading a couple in the trailer and sticking a ketchum tag in from the box, no passport no reporting of movements.
Just 1 thing that sticks in my memory, simpler times, yes. Better times, I'm not so sure

Aye, one could argue there hasn’t been much benefit to the rural population in the last 60 years. I’d be content with my 3 cows

By the way we still sell cattle that way. Despite the government’s efforts they have yet to Wrench that control from us. And the world has yet to end.

 

[bar718]

Yep and always will be, the holier than thou approach of sending less for the greater good unfortunately has never washed in our industry

What no one mentions is that we are in a world market and even if the U.K. dropped production we would still be in the boom and bust cycle. The U.K. does produce some products that are traded world wide and exposed to those prices but our own market is also open to competition from imported milk products so when farmers think it’s their neighbour with another 100 cows that’s flooding the market they are so far from the truth.
So it is as you say and do what is right for your own business in the market we are in. Unpalatable for some but that’s where we are.

 

[Will Blackburn]

What no one mentions is that we are in a world market and even if the U.K. dropped production we would still be in the boom and bust cycle. The U.K. does produce some products that are traded world wide and exposed to those prices but our own market is also open to competition from imported milk products so when farmers think it’s their neighbour with another 100 cows that’s flooding the market they are so far from the truth.
So it is as you say and do what is right for your own business in the market we are in. Unpalatable for some but that’s where we are.

It’s not as fluid as you think if US dairies are paying 46ppl.

 

[daveydiesel1]

What no one mentions is that we are in a world market and even if the U.K. dropped production we would still be in the boom and bust cycle. The U.K. does produce some products that are traded world wide and exposed to those prices but our own market is also open to competition from imported milk products so when farmers think it’s their neighbour with another 100 cows that’s flooding the market they are so far from the truth.
So it is as you say and do what is right for your own business in the market we are in. Unpalatable for some but that’s where we are.

If the uk quit milking cows within a short period the rest of the world would have made up the difference and we wouldnt even be missed

 

[nonemouse]

Butter mountain - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

But even back then we weren’t self sufficient in dairy products, but government food policy was in bring in cheap commodities from the colonies, some things don’t change

 

[som farmer]

What no one mentions is that we are in a world market and even if the U.K. dropped production we would still be in the boom and bust cycle. The U.K. does produce some products that are traded world wide and exposed to those prices but our own market is also open to competition from imported milk products so when farmers think it’s their neighbour with another 100 cows that’s flooding the market they are so far from the truth.
So it is as you say and do what is right for your own business in the market we are in. Unpalatable for some but that’s where we are.

one point missing

the UK is about the only country, that distributes fresh milk, as a general product. They cannot import that.

perhaps it would be better if some type of UHT milk was the preferred product. That fresh milk, has had a detrimental effect on production here.
First, white water, best contracts were s/mkts, who just wanted white water, pal on one, got docked for BF under 3.5%, but no bonus for higher.

so the UK didn't follow the 'rest' and chase milk solid payments, so catch up there. Further, if we were UHT based, milk would keep longer, which would take it partially out of the 'immediate' use category. 3 day pick-ups ?

will add, hate UHT milk. And unlikely to happen in the UK, consumer wants fresh.

 

[jimred]

one point missing

the UK is about the only country, that distributes fresh milk, as a general product. They cannot import that.

perhaps it would be better if some type of UHT milk was the preferred product. That fresh milk, has had a detrimental effect on production here.
First, white water, best contracts were s/mkts, who just wanted white water, pal on one, got docked for BF under 3.5%, but no bonus for higher.

so the UK didn't follow the 'rest' and chase milk solid payments, so catch up there. Further, if we were UHT based, milk would keep longer, which would take it partially out of the 'immediate' use category. 3 day pick-ups ?

will add, hate UHT milk. And unlikely to happen in the UK, consumer wants fresh.

If UK consumers wanted UHT the UK dairy industry would be in real trouble. Supermarkets would love it long shelf life and buy from wherever in the world it was cheapest. The demise of the doorstep delivery service orchestrated by the supermarkets was one of worst things that has happened for UK dairy industry. It was a relatively stable market that at worst always but a floor in the market and for many years even subsidised the production of commodity products.

 

[Cowabunga]

If the uk quit milking cows within a short period the rest of the world would have made up the difference and we wouldnt even be missed

That’s what Rees Mogg is counting on. That the total decimation of British livestock farming would not be noticed on the high street or by consumers generally. He and the right wing Tories are up for taking that gamble, including that prices would fall for most foods for most of the time.

 

[pappuller]

Do you not get bored of all the cocaine and hookers?

One comes with the other

 

[In the pit]

the UK is about the only country, that distributes fresh

I can remember not many years ago a company bringing in milk powder from Poland mixing it back with water and selling it as fresh milk
Wile organic milk used to go through the tunnel into France and was brought back in from Belgium and Netherlands

 

[som farmer]

That’s what Rees Mogg is counting on. That the total decimation of British livestock farming would not be noticed on the high street or by consumers generally. He and the right wing Tories are up for taking that gamble, including that prices would fall for most foods for most of the time.

all politicians want cheap food, the cheaper the better,

but its a hell of a gamble they are taking, hungry voters only have one thing in mind, food, and politicians that don't supply it .................................

the world is not in a good place, its generally in a mess, and needs a restart. Its what triggers that restart, that's truly frightening.

 

[bar718]

one point missing

the UK is about the only country, that distributes fresh milk, as a general product. They cannot import that.

perhaps it would be better if some type of UHT milk was the preferred product. That fresh milk, has had a detrimental effect on production here.
First, white water, best contracts were s/mkts, who just wanted white water, pal on one, got docked for BF under 3.5%, but no bonus for higher.

so the UK didn't follow the 'rest' and chase milk solid payments, so catch up there. Further, if we were UHT based, milk would keep longer, which would take it partially out of the 'immediate' use category. 3 day pick-ups ?

will add, hate UHT milk. And unlikely to happen in the UK, consumer wants fresh.

But that fresh milk is not whole milk more it is skimmed or semi skimmed which then leaves the cream element as a tradable product which unfortunately the price of which will follow world markets which still leaves us open to the influences of those markets.