Mouse plague in Aus....... what a mess.

[snipe]

Exactly clive’s point. Just because you are in an assurance scheme it does not mean that “sh!t can’t happen” Think he was highlighting the point that here in the Uk we have to be assured and can be suspended for any number of minor faults but the same department that insists on these standards its happy to let rodent plagued piles of corn( no malice or wishes of ill fortune intended) into the Uk to be mixed with our grain

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Just like the sorghum being rejected up Roy's way, anything contaminated would be rejected at terminal too. Every truck load is sampled.
As Cornish Tone said, whatever the import standards of a market are, MUST be met, or else access to that market will be lost.

 

[snipe]

Just like the sorghum being rejected up Roy's way, anything contaminated would be rejected at terminal too. Every truck load is sampled.

which is the right way to do it. If the product is tested and not up to standards then rejected. We have a mind numbing list of forms to fill in like, when was the loader bucket washed, potato store fumigation declaration form(even if you don’t grow potatoes). fusarium risk assessment sheet even if you have had an actual fusarium test on the grain. The list goes on and on.

 

[ShooTa]

cant you breed some more snakes?

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Think I'd rather the mice than 1 billion snakes..... have lost heifers to snake bite in the past. Dont need to be looking where I'm standing with every step....and to cold for snakes now....all going into hibernation for the winter

 

[Clive]

And just exactly how would any "assurance " scheme keep mice out when in plague proportion like here? People cant keep them out of their houses atm. So I doubt you could keep them out of any building. Apart from silo bags, 99% of on farm storages here are sealed silos.

it wouldn’t make any difference

it wouldn’t be every bit as meaningless as it is here !

the only benefit of assurance is employment of those who create these schemes

 

[Clive]

Just like the sorghum being rejected up Roy's way, anything contaminated would be rejected at terminal too. Every truck load is sampled.
As Cornish Tone said, whatever the import standards of a market are, MUST be met, or else access to that market will be lost.

you are missing our point - none of this assurance means anything

but at least your not paying for it like we have to

 

[kiwi pom]

you are missing our point - none of this assurance means anything

but at least your not paying for it like we have to

You're right it means nothing BUT your customers want something to cover their arse and show they are buying from a responsible source. They'll sign a bit of paper with an importer somewhere along the line to show the boxes are being ticked. That will be meaningless too but they still do it.
How much time, money and effort does it cost you over and above what you normally do? Do you need RT to export?

 

[Clive]

You're right it means nothing BUT your customers want something to cover their arse and show they are buying from a responsible source. They'll sign a bit of paper with an importer somewhere along the line to show the boxes are being ticked. That will be meaningless too but they still do it.
How much time, money and effort does it cost you over and above what you normally do? Do you need RT to export?

my customer wants something from my uk farm yes and expects me to pay to provide it, thousands of £’s a year which i can think of far better ways to spend

if i had a farm in the ukraine or australia howver the same customer suddenly couldn’t care less and don’t expect any farm level assurance

spot the inconsistency that is getting uk grain producers upset ?

 

[kiwi pom]

my customer wants something from my uk farm yes and expects me to pay to provide it, thousands of £’s a year which i can think of far better ways to spend

if i had a farm in the ukraine or australia howver the same customer suddenly couldn’t care less and don’t expect any farm level assurance

spot the inconsistency that is getting uk grain producers upset ?

Yes of course, it's nonsense but its what the customer wants.
Time RT went but it will just get replaced with some other requirement.
Perhaps don't grow grain anymore, if its that big of an issue?

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

It's the testing that matters most. The assurance is designed for uniformity of conditions to help prevent failures. We have it here with dairy as you would there. Procedures in place to stop stuff ups. But they happen from time to time. Hence the sampling.... as stuffing a 250 000 liter silo of milk isnt the best scenario. Our quality scheme allows for 2 stuff ups a year where the company will pay you to dump the milk. It's a cheaper option compared to praying.....( local vet can also run an antibiotic test to say yes or no if clear or not. This is done first ...)
And for the record our milk company demands full chain assurance which extends to the feed grain we use. So the mill we buy from has to provide vendor declarations regarding chemical useage etc etc on the grain they supply us. And they only buy milling quality grain as well. Not downgraded feed grain.

 

[kiwi pom]

Farmer just up the road here now has a full time "Environment compliance and enhancement manager" Fairly certain he didn't want one of them, its just the way the jobs gone. Wouldn't be so bad if he got some kind of sub for it but it's just the price of farming here.
Every country has its issues.

 

[Doc]

I think the points made are comparing apples and pears as the systems are so different between grain storage depending on final market.
Grain storages for human feedstuffs in Australia mainly aren’t on farm unless in sealed silos as they would fail testing requirements.
Animal feed grains however are very similarly stored either in silos or bunkers UK and Aus. Indeed, I’m often surprised at the heaps of brewers grains etc dumped in yard corners or maybe in roofed but otherwise uncovered bunkers in the UK getting constantly rained or blown upon. They just scoop up a bucket, then into the mixer wagon. Anyone not seen piles of sugar beet just harvested and left in large piles on farm, sometimes for weeks? I have.
Some of you are throwing stones from very fragile glasshouses built of ignorance here.

 

[snipe]

Yes of course, it's nonsense but its what the customer wants.
Time RT went but it will just get replaced with some other requirement.
Perhaps don't grow grain anymore, if its that big of an issue?

It’s what the customer wants for Uk grain but not for imported. That is whats wrong. I was talking to a very reliable buyer at a mill and they told me they have been told to turn a blind eye to any ergot in imported wheat as there is no replacement for it if they reject it.

 

[Bogweevil]

Don't worry Digger, I have had a great idea - cane toads -let em loose and they will devour all the mice pronto - what could go wrong?

 

[7610 super q]

I only produce animal feed. It has to meet RT standards to sell to local mills. I am not allowed to store it in open fronted sheds with rodents running all over it. Different standards. End of.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Yet you allowed cattle to eat chickens and crap meal causing mad cow disease...

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Yet you allowed cattle to eat chickens and crap meal causing mad cow disease...

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Merely pointing out the different standards.

 

[Chae1]

Yet you allowed cattle to eat chickens and crap meal causing mad cow disease...

Which caused exports to be banned around the world.

Aussie beef causes cancer.

Australian beef could be infected with cancer-causing chemicals https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...micals.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead