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Exfarmer

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I sympathise and admire your desire to return to your roots. When I mentioned tourism as being an option, i understand your reluctance, most farmers here are likeminded. However the Ghar we stayed at in Rhajastan was bringing a lot of money and employment into the village, but it is certainly notfor all
 
Thanks you'll have to send me the details of the ghar and i'll try to visit it when i am in Rajasthan next, to be honest this isn't a financially driven thing i'm exploring... its more of a hobby/ long term early retirement plan. Finding a way to ethically employ some people would be amazing though.

From what i understand from cousins and family etc.. they would much rather go into the building trade or something like that than explore AgriTech, i dont believe the appreciation and value of farming automation has the right level of enthusiasm just yet.

I'm sure this will change as the tech become more affordable and you dont have to be a programmer / product developer to get access. Fast tracking this somehow really appeals to me! But lets stick to the simple stuff first. :D
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
I haven't read the whole of this thread, and I have no idea how close you are to your roots and aspects of your ancestral culture be they good or bad, but... if you can find a way to help out the parts of Indian society that often have a really bad deal in life there e.g. the Dalit people and lower caste / class women, you'd be doing a lot of good.

No idea just how that might work, I have only been in India on a few occasions and mostly in the company of friends who I met at boarding school over here, they being very well off indeed by Indian standards. But there is great potential there, provided you can work with or get around the obvious difficulties.

For what it's worth I'll share some experience from farming in Africa...

Do choose your staff extremely carefully and then really look after them, provide education, health etc. for their families.

Do not tolerate any theft by staff, whatever the reason or sob story, they have to go or you will be taken advantage of. That written, always be prepared to give an advance on wages to a good worker, or even a loan if you think they can manage to repay it.

It's better for you to keep a good worker when times are hard, than to lay him off and try and get him back. If needs must, explain the situation and offer a reduction in wages rather than a redundancy.

There's nothing wrong with getting angry with someone, but admonishment needn't be humiliating.

If something goes really well, look at who you would have blamed if it had gone really badly, that's the fellow(s) to reward.

Good luck with all this, it's an interesting project, keep us posted as to your progress.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
I haven't read the whole of this thread, and I have no idea how close you are to your roots and aspects of your ancestral culture be they good or bad, but... if you can find a way to help out the parts of Indian society that often have a really bad deal in life there e.g. the Dalit people and lower caste / class women, you'd be doing a lot of good.

No idea just how that might work, I have only been in India on a few occasions and mostly in the company of friends who I met at boarding school over here, they being very well off indeed by Indian standards. But there is great potential there, provided you can work with or get around the obvious difficulties.

For what it's worth I'll share some experience from farming in Africa...

Do choose your staff extremely carefully and then really look after them, provide education, health etc. for their families.

Do not tolerate any theft by staff, whatever the reason or sob story, they have to go or you will be taken advantage of. That written, always be prepared to give an advance on wages to a good worker, or even a loan if you think they can manage to repay it.

It's better for you to keep a good worker when times are hard, than to lay him off and try and get him back. If needs must, explain the situation and offer a reduction in wages rather than a redundancy.

There's nothing wrong with getting angry with someone, but admonishment needn't be humiliating.

If something goes really well, look at who you would have blamed if it had gone really badly, that's the fellow(s) to reward.

Good luck with all this, it's an interesting project, keep us posted as to your progress.
Good advice. Be it India, Africa or the UK if anyone follows that you won’t go far wrong.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
There was a national veg growers conference in the Kingsgate Conference Center in Peterborough on 23rd January this year. I think it’s pretty much ‘conventional’ agriculture but it’s an annual event and may be interesting for you @infiniteConciously.
Another place to visit in the UK would be the Groundswell event on the 26th/27th June 2019, have a look in the Direct Dilling section of this forum for more information, lots of food for thought there.
 

pipkins

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I've nothing to add but just place-marking as I'm really interested in following how you get on. I had a lovely holiday in the south west (Kerala mainly) a few years back and fully intend to return when the kids are big enough to appreciate it.
 
There was a national veg growers conference in the Kingsgate Conference Center in Peterborough on 23rd January this year. I think it’s pretty much ‘conventional’ agriculture but it’s an annual event and may be interesting for you @infiniteConciously.
Another place to visit in the UK would be the Groundswell event on the 26th/27th June 2019, have a look in the Direct Dilling section of this forum for more information, lots of food for thought there.
Thanks this is great info.

I've nothing to add but just place-marking as I'm really interested in following how you get on. I had a lovely holiday in the south west (Kerala mainly) a few years back and fully intend to return when the kids are big enough to appreciate it.
Thanks, this community is so nice and welcoming, im soo glad i started this thread. I deffo feel like keeping this going and making sure i get some updates in here on a regular basis and maybe link to a blog or something once i am out there.

I'd also like to eventually offer some sort of knowledge exchange programme for our young farmers in India, so it would be great to host some "travelling farmer brits" and get our young farmers in India tapping into some of that extensive knowledge!
 
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East Mids
Thanks this is great info.


Thanks, this community is so nice and welcoming, im soo glad i started this thread. I deffo feel like keeping this going and making sure i get some updates in here on a regular basis and maybe link to a blog or something once i am out there.

I'd also like to eventually offer some sort of knowledge exchange programme for our young farmers in India, so it would be great to host some "travelling farmer brits" and get our young farmers in India tapping into some of that extensive knowledge!
I've commented on this before, I rarely travel by taxi, but when I do it's mainly a Leicester taxi and many of their drivers are British Asian with family (grandparents/uncles/father/brother etc) in India or Pakistan, where they still own a farm, or they had a farm until recently. I love those taxi rides, because we get talking about all sorts of things like milking, growing different crops, land values etc etc and they say about getting homesick when they arrive at our farm. Some of them are cutting their rural ties by selling out their share of the farm, whereas others say it would be quite nice to return or keep it in the family some way. Good luck to you!
 
Hey all,
So just a quick update, unfortunately I've not made much progress with this at all! :(

I was planning to go out to India between June-Sept this year to get a little feel for things and test the water but due certain commitments (that I can't get away from for now) its not been possible. So I've pushed things back to a few weeks between Nov-Mar.. and then a longer stint out there after that. Will have to see, totally gutted about this but thats life for you! Just gotta bat what the cosmos throws at you straight back and carry on!! Definitely not going to give up on this and once i book the tickets I'll be updating this more regularly with pictures and detailed updates, hoping to maybe spend some time helping out in some schools as well which will be interesting. Generate some interest from specialists who want to share some advice and really get this moving forward not just from a water irrigation perspective but a complete overhaul of the current practices out there.

Meanwhile, I've been keeping myself and me kids very busy!! We are thoroughly enjoying tinkering with robotics, especially line of sight drones, first person view custom drones that we buy 2nd hand, break, and then rebuild. One thing thats got me really excited is arduPilot and the possibilities seem endless!! My mind is always on this mission i've set myself. I've contacted quite a few UK based robotics, agri-tech companies but no one seems interested in this little open source project, its a shame but i'll keep plodding along and see how things progress. I'll post some links of the kind stuff that I am looking into for inspiration a bit later on today, right now i've got to take the 5 year to fight club otherwise shes gonna club me if we are late!

Cheerio!!
 
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B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
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Rutland
Hey all,
So just a quick update, unfortunately I've not made much progress with this at all! :(

I was planning to go out to India between June-Sept this year to get a little feel for things and test the water but due certain commitments (that I can't get away from for now) its not been possible. So I've pushed things back to a few weeks between Nov-Mar.. and then a longer stint out there after that. Will have to see, totally gutted about this but thats life for you! Just gotta bat what the cosmos throws at you straight back and carry on!! Definitely not going to give up on this and once i book the tickets I'll be updating this more regularly with pictures and detailed updates, hoping to maybe spend some time helping out in some schools as well which will be interesting. Generate some interest from specialists who want to share some advice and really get this moving forward not just from a water irrigation perspective but a complete overhaul of the current practices out there.

Meanwhile, I've been keeping myself and me kids very busy!! We are thoroughly enjoying tinkering with robotics, especially line of sight drones, first person view custom drones that we buy 2nd hand, break, and then rebuild. One thing thats got me really excited is arduPilot and the possibilities seem endless!! My mind is always on this mission i've set myself. I've contacted quite a few UK based robotics, agri-tech companies but no one seems interested in this little open source project, its a shame but i'll keep plodding along and see how things progress. I'll post some links of the kind stuff that I am looking into for inspiration a bit later on today, right now i've got to take the 5 year to fight club otherwise shes gonna club me if we are late!

Cheerio!!

Just remember that quite often there is a good reason for some of the practices that seem odd to outside people, history is littered with outsiders coming into an area with the idea of revolutionizing their agricultural production only to take one step forward and four steps back and leaving people and land worse off than they found it. A project such as yours requires tact, deep understanding, respect and careful observation. Just a word of caution. Best of luck with your endeavors!
 

traineefarmer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Mid Norfolk
As your travel plans have been delayed, it might be worth visiting the Lamma show in January. The UK's largest agri machinery and technology event - there will be plenty to feed your ambitions of automation and robotics there as well as a range of small and large UK companies who may be very interested in your Indian adventure.

Just to echo some other's sentiments earlier in the thread - I wish you the best of luck with your endeavour and look forward to any updates you post.
 

PostHarvest

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Location
Warwick
ICARDA is an agricultural research organisation with sites in Northern Syria, Lebanon and Turkey that focuses on dry-land farming. It has produced seed varieties and production methods for growing cereals, lentils, beans and other crops in arid areas around the world. I believe that they also run training courses, certainly they used to. As they are part of the CGIAR International Agricultural Research organisation, all of their information is freely available. Website is www.icarda.org
 
Just remember that quite often there is a good reason for some of the practices that seem odd to outside people, history is littered with outsiders coming into an area with the idea of revolutionizing their agricultural production only to take one step forward and four steps back and leaving people and land worse off than they found it. A project such as yours requires tact, deep understanding, respect and careful observation. Just a word of caution. Best of luck with your endeavors!
Thanks BoB, I don't know if you've read the book "sapiens, a brief history of human kind" but this touches on human evolution, the journey from hunter gatherers, to farmers to city dwellers, etc.... really eye opening book and also touches on what you've just mentioned about 1 step forward, 4 backwards in different ways. The scenario is very unique for my endeavour where the area that my family originally come from say 100 years ago - we are all farmers by trade (and we still have connections to people there), personally we migrated away quite a few times for different reasons but our roots are still there so any agri-technological (open source) methods that i can incubate..... that will make life easier for these guys and my family.... has to come with education as a cornerstone for old and young. And there is a lot of us, i mean ALOT of us... all with farms. Anyway, my retirement plan is to eventually retire into farming and education over in India so i think i have a good road map. And primarily only deal with friends and family. initially. and then see if we can grow from there over a long period of time. Right now i just want to start this slow transition but just getting out there is the hard part especially with a young family over here. So yeah caution noted mate. Hopefully i get there eventually!!! :)


As your travel plans have been delayed, it might be worth visiting the Lamma show in January. The UK's largest agri machinery and technology event - there will be plenty to feed your ambitions of automation and robotics there as well as a range of small and large UK companies who may be very interested in your Indian adventure.

Just to echo some other's sentiments earlier in the thread - I wish you the best of luck with your endeavour and look forward to any updates you post.
Thanks man, that sounds amazing and ill deffo be researching it! I think there is Croptech in November as well? I know i missed one in June that i was gutted about when i found out afterwards but hey theres always next time.

ICARDA is an agricultural research organisation with sites in Northern Syria, Lebanon and Turkey that focuses on dry-land farming. It has produced seed varieties and production methods for growing cereals, lentils, beans and other crops in arid areas around the world. I believe that they also run training courses, certainly they used to. As they are part of the CGIAR International Agricultural Research organisation, all of their information is freely available. Website is www.icarda.org
Thanks, this is really useful info as well and in a very similar climate so super helpful! Will check this out as well.

You guys are soo welcoming and helpful. Thanks for much for fuelling my ambition in this and inspiring me to research more and more! Great forum this place is!
 
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Heres some interesting thought provoking videos that i've been following closely for inspiration, building something on the ground and air solar powered is a no brainer really given how much sunlight we have out there. Our biggest issue over next 50 years will be water management in my opinion.

I've also added a couple of vids of the drones that me and the kids currently fly. Looking forward to moving to bigger quads and 4s-6s batteries soon.


RCTestflight has some great videos on solar UAVs and i am thinking of email him for some advice once we have a build in mind and ive done some serious research into solar UAVs and weight etc and commercial drone laws in india.

Build creations is a great channel and has some inspiring stuff on there.

This 3 part series on piloting to support farmers is interesting. The Sequoia camera is very very interesting, build something like this that runs off a rasberyypi zero and arduPilot would be an interesting project i think. I personally wouldn't pay for the course and prefer to learn things myself by researching them.

And I can't find the exact article but there was a pesticide spraying drone thats been very successful in either japan or china. Will link the article when i find it. heres another one for now.


Random pictures of the 3" drones that me and the kids are currently flying.


Looking forward to moving up to stronger batteries soon and 5" quads. Especially custom builds with 5s & 6s packs that can hold a hero Gopro etc...

Thanks for reading!
 
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uztrac

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Arable Farmer
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fakenham-norfolk
I lived in Bihar for a number of years in the 60's based in the village of Simultala around 100 miles from Patna. With Indian counterparts we ran a large well digging programme,introduced hybrid rice varieties,chemicals to counteract the effect of the rice gundybug etc etc. In those times India was a net importer of foodgrains mainly wheat from the USA and rice from the Phillipines,now I am pleased to say India exports its surplus to other countries. Water is the most valuable item in the severe climate and your success will rise & fall on its availability 365 days per year.I wish you well in your challenge/s,the most important thing is to listen to other farmers & observe their actions and inputs to make a living and a profitable enterprise.
 
Thansk Uztrac, totally agree and i am hoping to work with different types of farmers in different ways.

If you have any pictures from Bihar in the 60s please post them, would love to see what things were like back then, if i get a chance i'll try to visit the same places and give you some recent pictures back... I bet there were some very scenic locations there!

Totally agree on the availability of water all year around. And not just that but the type of water as well, as a lot of people use groundwater but don't quite have decent or any filter systems. Obv this varies from farm to farm (and state to state) but i am planning to engage a lot with lots of different farmers out there and draw some conclusions based off that and seek opportunities to do some "open source" goodness that anyone can replicate at low cost hopefully. The other problem is the sheer level of construction going on right now and the amount of water this consumes. But who am i to judge on that??? I just want to focus of farming and education and see what happens!

This week I've realised that just because I am not in India it doesn't mean i can't start doing simple things here. Like a bit of automation via micro farming from home, getting my kids to help me out with a few little projects, build some growing experience and techniques that could be replicated out on my grandfathers farm when i am out there. Obv on a tiny scale first and slowly learn some simple things.

A couple more videos from youtube that have me excited and getting my brain tinkering with some ideas to implement over the next month or so. Sorry for all the links, but it just a nice way to keep all the resources i need in one place if i ever want to look back at something really quickly!!

 
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MickMoor

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Bonsall, UK
Please tell us about how you get on!

I took would be fascinated to hear how you get on. I lived in Kolkata from 1961 to 1964, going to school there and later Darjeeling. Went back last November, and as you say, the change is incredible! I can’t wait to go back again, it’s one of the reasons I keep working.
 
I took would be fascinated to hear how you get on. I lived in Kolkata from 1961 to 1964, going to school there and later Darjeeling. Went back last November, and as you say, the change is incredible! I can’t wait to go back again, it’s one of the reasons I keep working.
Yes i will deffo be keeping this updated, so it looks like I will be out to India early next year and the updates will be coming through then much more frequently. Obviously i'll post pictures, videos, write updates etc to show the kind of challenges we're dealing with. Hoping to do some volunteering in some schools as well and really promote education, robotics and the opportunity that agricultural robotics presents for India.

I'm sure some of you may have seen all the pollution images recently on BBC news about the smog thats being caused from crop burning etc. which is really sad to see from my perspective. I'm gutted i havent been able to get out there sooner but when you run a business in the UK it really is 24/7 and getting away from a commitment like that for a few months is soo hard.

On a side note, I've finally picked up a 3d printer and looking forward to putting some arduino electronics into something like the below for some indoor micro farming and see how much i can actually automate. and what kind of greens i can produce with little-to-no manual maintenance! should be interesting, lol!!


I'll be going to croptec this month, if anyone is going to be there and fancies a coffee drop me note in here or a pm!! I'll be there both days and looking forward to it!
 
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glasshouse

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lothians
Having just got back from a 3 weekholiday there, I saw a lot of farming but would not claim to have any in depth knowledge.
It did seem a huge amount was done by hand using some practices which would be very hard work for someone not born and bought up to it..
The bulk of crop weeding seemed to be done by hand and the weeds taken back to the farm to be chopped up that night to feed the cow(s).
The cow dung, would be mixed with chopped straw made into patties and left to dry in the sun for cooking fuel. This was all done by hand:eek:
I understand that farms are limited to 45 acres by law so this strctly limits mechanisation and we only saw 2 combines in a journey of perhaps a 1,000 miles. Most crops are cut by hand , then fed into into a stationery thresher.
I would be dubious about claims of organic, other countries have decidedly different ideas to what we think it implies. Insects such as locusts require a very strong defence or they will decimate a crop .
Years ago people starved, today it is not acceptable.
You are correct that flood irrigation is the norm even for crops such as wheat and obviously rice needs very large quantities of water, but the monsoon brings huge quantites. As you rightly say there is a heavy reliance on Tanks ( reservoirs ) and wells.
I should not worry about burning crop residues, you wait till you see the brick yard stacks smoking away. We did not see any stubble burning as the straw was far too valuable, much chopped to go into the bricks!
Most of India can grow a huge range of crops due to the temperature but you have to remember the value of the produce is very low compared to Britain probably 1-5% of what you would expect to pay in the UK , so sadly you are unlikely to make very big sums.
If I was going to give any advice I would aim at tourism . We had a fantastic stay in Rhajastan in a village , it may seem boring to you, but plenty of Western people pay very big money for that sort of genuine experience.
I wish you luck Please keep us posted.
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