Net zero emissions

[Danllan]

I don't think is really a party-political or Brexit-related matter and so, I hope, in the discussion of this there will be a consensus reached...

It's a really good goal, not least through being enlightened self-interest, but it is very difficult to see how it is possible without a remarkable amount of statistical manipulation. A few questions occur that will be of relevance to many on her, domestically and commercially:

Will wood-fires be banned? Will petrol / diesel vehicles be banned? Will there be a massive reduction - even a removal - of tax upon renewable energy sources? Will there be exemptions for 'essential' inputs, e.g. fert? Will there be penalties for failure? Will the 'net' factor mean that we can cut only, say, half of what we churn out by having every hedge in the country made into a 'linear' woodland?

I'm sure others will think of other questions, but I can't think of definitive answers for any of mine without an absolutely determined government in place to make it work - and that seems unlikely. But it could work, if we had a proper industrial strategy (@Yacker) which recognised the importance and potential of leading in the renewable energy industry.

On that tack, if I had the power, I'd give an encouraging ten year tax-break to renewable development, manufacture and installation, and then phase in tax very gradually, say at 5% every five years until it matched the general rate.

 

[Storeman]

Will we be allowed to exhale?
All this co2 being bad seems like dodgy science to me. We are a carbon based life form on a carbon based planet.
But as long as the large corporations get richer, let's keep the lies and twisted science going.

 

[Henarar]

Interesting to ban wood fires yet subsidise burning wood chip that has just be dried to dry more wood chip to burn
Sounds like a very likely government strategy based on the so called renewable energy crap we have seen to date
Sorry but I think @wanton dwarf isn't far of on this
Its just a load of sh1t

 

[Widgetone]

Lovely ideal/target to have, TM trying to be remembered for something other than the B word.
I fear the cynic in me thinks who will remember this in 30 years time?

Guy on R4 this morning said China has 98% of the worlds electric buses when quizzed about its not what we do ( with very little manufacturing industry ), its what they do.

 

[Devil's advocate]

I love the idea, but very hard to acheive.

You listen to greens & you think what will power all the buses & trains they talk about. Also everyone on a low wage should be able to have one weeks foreign holiday. YOU WHAT with zero emissions.

I'd love to see one small change. That would be grants on better water mangement more storage of water, better drainage & ideally non powered irrigation ie water high up flowing downhill by its own power. Reduce other subs to pay for it.

 

[uztrac]

What you are all forgetting is that to get to this mythology of zero, the whole of the UK would need to be re-forested !!Once again cloud cuckoo land from the Westminster bubble that has no knowledge of life outside the M25 carpark.

 

[Scribus]

I don't think is really a party-political or Brexit-related matter and so, I hope, in the discussion of this there will be a consensus reached...

It's a really good goal, not least through being enlightened self-interest, but it is very difficult to see how it is possible without a remarkable amount of statistical manipulation. A few questions occur that will be of relevance to many on her, domestically and commercially:

Will wood-fires be banned? Will petrol / diesel vehicles be banned? Will there be a massive reduction - even a removal - of tax upon renewable energy sources? Will there be exemptions for 'essential' inputs, e.g. fert? Will there be penalties for failure? Will the 'net' factor mean that we can cut only, say, half of what we churn out by having every hedge in the country made into a 'linear' woodland?

I'm sure others will think of other questions, but I can't think of definitive answers for any of mine without an absolutely determined government in place to make it work - and that seems unlikely. But it could work, if we had a proper industrial strategy (@Yacker) which recognised the importance and potential of leading in the renewable energy industry.

On that tack, if I had the power, I'd give an encouraging ten year tax-break to renewable development, manufacture and installation, and then phase in tax very gradually, say at 5% every five years until it matched the general rate.

China has every reprehensible tool of coercion at its its disposal, the willingness to use them and a stated desire to reduce CO2 emissions, yet after a brief plateau they appear to be creeping up once more. Doesn't hold out much hope to a supposedly democratic west.

 

[DrWazzock]

Another meaningless throwaway sanctimonious hypocritical political gesture, while air travel expands and waste abounds.

 

[br jones]

More chance of me poking every member of the spice girls,

 

[czechmate]

More chance of me poking every member of the spice girls,

What a quite horrid thought

 

[wanton dwarf]

But it could work, if we had a proper industrial strategy (@Yacker) which recognised the importance and potential of leading in the renewable energy industry.

Oh dear oh dear.

You know David Cameron stated this almost a decade ago .. and here we are still importing most of what we install. I think even what is made in the UK is foreign owned.

The ONLY industrial strategy we have in the UK is "Close it down" .. combined with "Import from China" .. exporting jobs and importing CO2 pollution off the spreadsheet.

Time's up.

It's a scam.

Let's face it .. if Climate Change was such as big issue then the commute to London would cease to exist and HS2 would be scrapped. Never mind "Space Tourism" for Billionaires.

This is just another Ponzi scheme dreamt up by the Rich Elite to fleece the poor out of as many resources as possible. Send the UK poor into the stone age whilst Billionaires live the high life in thier "Mega Yachts" and "Jumbo Boings".

 

[wanton dwarf]

Another meaningless throwaway sanctimonious hypocritical political gesture, while air travel expands and waste abounds.

Just don't mention "Ocean Plastic Pollution" and "Recycling" in the same sentance.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Lovely ideal/target to have, TM trying to be remembered for something other than the B word.
I fear the cynic in me thinks who will remember this in 30 years time?

Guy on R4 this morning said China has 98% of the worlds electric buses when quizzed about its not what we do ( with very little manufacturing industry ), its what they do.

Unfortunately powered using Coal fired power stations ..

 

[rob1]

bought some flowers for the OH today, when I took the wrapper of I saw they were grown in columbia FFS whats the carbon footprint offlying flowers halfway round the world

 

[Danllan]

All correct so far, but none of it changes the facts that 'something must be done' and that if we had a wise government, we would be exporting eco-friendly energy products...

Which reminds me of Sparta's second single-word reply to Philip II... he wrote 'You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I (successfully) bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city.'

The Spartans replied 'if.'

 

[Scribus]

bought some flowers for the OH today, when I took the wrapper of I saw they were grown in columbia FFS whats the carbon footprint offlying flowers halfway round the world

70% of the Valentine roses are flown in from Kenya -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...our-hunger-for-valentines-roses-10045176.html

 

[rob1]

perhaps one way of getting rid of a lot of the single use palstic would be to dump it in the chaeckout area in the supermarket or wherever we buy stuff and make them pay to dispose of it

 

[Banana Bar]

What you are all forgetting is that to get to this mythology of zero, the whole of the UK would need to be re-forested !!Once again cloud cuckoo land from the Westminster bubble that has no knowledge of life outside the M25 carpark.

Which could easily happen, zero ag emissions and offset for transport sector.

 

[Scribus]

perhaps one way of getting rid of a lot of the single use palstic would be to dump it in the chaeckout area in the supermarket or wherever we buy stuff and make them pay to dispose of it

It'll be the customer who pays for disposal at the end of the day, ie, us.

 

[wanton dwarf]

All correct so far, but none of it changes the facts that 'something must be done' and that if we had a wise government, we would be exporting eco-friendly energy products...

Which reminds me of Sparta's second single-word reply to Philip II... he wrote 'You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I (successfully) bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city.'

The Spartans replied 'if.'

Really ? Something MUST be done ?

Haven't enough people lost their jobs, livelihoods, homes and families in the West so a few already rich people can get richer ?

How about those who are advocating "Something being done" - specifically Rich Londoners and Globalists - get off their fat backsides and spend their money on doing "Something" rather than building massive cellars with swimming pools, cinemas and sex dungeons ?

Whilst the Rich make money out of "Climate Change" the poor face getting their power turned off via Smart Meters and having to pay the most expensive energy bills of all in society.

London stinks .. it's rotten to the core.


https://order-order.com/2019/06/12/...pound-climate-change-plan-no-proper-costings/

Not content with just banning porn and plastic straws, Theresa May has decided to add a £1 trillion – that’s £1,000,000,000,000 – economic black hole to her “legacy” with her new policy to force the UK to have ‘net zero’ emissions by 2050. Philip Hammond has already warned that the cost “is likely to be well in excess of a trillion pounds”. Blows the row over tax cuts into insignificance…

The problem is that no-one has any idea how much it is actually going to cost. The Climate Change Committee (CCC), chaired by scandal-ridden Lord Deben, has put out a figure of £50 billion every year. BEIS’ preliminary estimate puts the cost a full 40% higher at £70 billion per year – these are just back of the envelope calculations. The Treasury wants to do a formal review of the costs but this will take months, not days. The fact that an outgoing Prime Minister is trying to bind the country with a commitment this vast without even doing a proper costing first is the height of irresponsibility…

Worse, a huge proportion of the costs won’t fall on the Treasury itself but directly on ordinary people. The plan laid out by the CCC relies heavily on expensive changes in consumer behaviour. Energy bills will rise, drivers will be expected to switch to more expensive green cars. This is fine for people like John Gummer who’ve had their snouts in the trough for years. For a pensioner struggling to get through the winter or someone who depends on a van to run their small business, these changes will be very costly indeed…

Businesses will also bear a huge part of the cost – it will effectively spell the death knell for serious manufacturing in the UK. Businesses will simply move their factories, emissions – and jobs – overseas at an even greater rate. May’s Government has already done a great job helping to drive car manufacturing out of the country with their ban on new petrol cars from 2040. May’s latest genius idea should finish the job…