New Build Tine based Rear End for Front Tank Drill

[Alistair Nelson]

So we’ve modified, developed and pimped the rear tine based coulter bar of our Horsch front tank based twin outlet drilling rig as far as we can like triggers broom and it’s now time to produce the next evolution to take it to the next level from what we’ve learnt and utilising newly parts and of course the inherent expertise here on Tff.

We also have a weaving GD rear end we use with the tank which is good in certain applications which we are keeping.

but there is still a place for a tine coulter in our system particularly in a year like this. So what I’m looking at is something along these lines:-

- 4.8m mounted folding
- 30 coulters (160mm row spacing, 400mm inter row) double entry for G and f, either 12nm metcalfe Assemblies or 19mm Bourgault point on our own designed assembly
- 30 discs in a single row in front of the coulters like a Simtec interchangeable with a row of rigid tines 15 for cereals between each pair of coulters or 10 directly in front of every third coulter for rape to give 480mm rows.
- guttler roller
- Vaderstad type fiollowing harrow
- existing tiurbojet on top for avadex / pellets

be interested to hear others thoughts / experiences particularly if we are designing our own coulters with the Bourgault tip.

Cheers

Alistair

 

[Zebbedee]

Are you using the newer partner front hopper?

 

[Chae1]

@Clive has built a smart one using Horsch front tank. Was on ollyblogs.

 

[Zebbedee]

Maybe @Clive will put some info on here

 

[Alistair Nelson]

Are you using the newer partner front hopper?

It’s a partner 2000 the same as @Clive ’s except it has wheels underneath. It is actually the one he tried before buying his.

It can be either grain and fert or all grain with 2 pipes down the side of the tractor but there is an adjustable flap under each metering device so you and send either metering device down either pipe so with some clever piping in the heads you can do grain and fert in the row or intercropping between rows, or half width shutoff if running grain only.

 

[Alistair Nelson]

@Clive has built a smart one using Horsch front tank. Was on ollyblogs.

Yes Clive’s is 6m trailed I’m going down the mounted route as only 4.8m

 

[Spud]

So we’ve modified, developed and pimped the rear tine based coulter bar of our Horsch front tank based twin outlet drilling rig as far as we can like triggers broom and it’s now time to produce the next evolution to take it to the next level from what we’ve learnt and utilising newly parts and of course the inherent expertise here on Tff.

We also have a weaving GD rear end we use with the tank which is good in certain applications which we are keeping.

but there is still a place for a tine coulter in our system particularly in a year like this. So what I’m looking at is something along these lines:-

- 4.8m mounted folding
- 30 coulters (160mm row spacing, 400mm inter row) double entry for G and f, either 12nm metcalfe Assemblies or 19mm Bourgault point on our own designed assembly
- 30 discs in a single row in front of the coulters like a Simtec interchangeable with a row of rigid tines 15 for cereals between each pair of coulters or 10 directly in front of every third coulter for rape to give 480mm rows.
- guttler roller
- Vaderstad type fiollowing harrow
- existing tiurbojet on top for avadex / pellets

be interested to hear others thoughts / experiences particularly if we are designing our own coulters with the Bourgault tip.

Cheers

Alistair

When you say Guttler are you thinking full width as you'd have on the back of a power harrow? Or smaller individual guttler wheels behind each coulter ala JD 750A?

Our Moore has what I think is really a grassland packer with floating rings - good in dry going, useless in the wet. The Otico tyreflex roller we used to have on a triggers brush combi of old would cope with anything we threw at it (and I mean anything) never clagged up no matter what, and had no scrapers. Much better.

Will 160mm allow enough trash flow? I like the idea of a leading disc in front of a tine coulter, but I think it'd be a bit busy and prone to blocking with 15 leading tines, 30 discs and 30 seeding tines, unless you were just drilling clean ploughing.

 

[Clive]

Maybe @Clive will put some info on here

pimpmydrill thread on here - not sure how up to date it is though

 

[Alistair Nelson]

When you say Guttler are you thinking full width as you'd have on the back of a power harrow? Or smaller individual guttler wheels behind each coulter ala JD 750A?

Our Moore has what I think is really a grassland packer with floating rings - good in dry going, useless in the wet. The Otico tyreflex roller we used to have on a triggers brush combi of old would cope with anything we threw at it (and I mean anything) never clagged up no matter what, and had no scrapers. Much better.

Will 160mm allow enough trash flow? I like the idea of a leading disc in front of a tine coulter, but I think it'd be a bit busy and prone to blocking with 15 leading tines, 30 discs and 30 seeding tines, unless you were just drilling clean ploughing.

Yes it’s a full powerharrow type guttler. Existing drill has it on and has run through virtually anything and when it was wet it left the ground firm but not sealed which is my worry with a tyre packer.

don’t worry it’s either 15 tines or 30 discs in front of the coulters

cheers

 

[Wombat]

Which borgault openers are you using?

I bought a toolbar with these Titan ones on and seem quite good so far. Take a bit of pulling compared to our weaving sabre though

 

[Alistair Nelson]

They look some fair brutes! looking at the 19mm wide tips like on these weaving sabre tine conversions but with a different rear tube design and adjustment arrangement

 

[Alistair Nelson]

Which borgault openers are you using?

I bought a toolbar with these Titan ones on and seem quite good so far. Take a bit of pulling compared to our weaving sabre though

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What are those fitted to a Horsch?

 

[alomy75]

They look some fair brutes! looking at the 19mm wide tips like on these weaving sabre tine conversions but with a different rear tube design and adjustment arrangement


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I’m doing something very very similar and have gone for the complete metcalfe kockerling leg. I’ve got sabretine on another drill; it was a good stepping stone but the metcalfe is way more refined

 

[Alistair Nelson]

I’m doing something very very similar and have gone for the complete metcalfe kockerling leg. I’ve got sabretine on another drill; it was a good stepping stone but the metcalfe is way more refinedView attachment 1144149

Would buy the Metcalfe tomorrow they are the finished article and Mike is a top Yorkshireman. but being a awkward sod for me they lack 2 things some form of anti blocking to stop soil going up the tube if you dropped it into work while not moving or let it roll back although Mike did show me a version he supplies to Easter Europe with a bulge at the back of the leg to reduce that problem.

the other issue for me in my application isthere isn’t quite enough soil movement with the 12mm hence my interest in the slightly wide 19mm Bourgault point. Don’t want full on banding just slightly wider to generate alittle tilth.

 

[Chae1]

What type of leg do Dale drills use? Remember looking at them at Groundswell and thinking looked good.

 

[Alistair Nelson]

What type of leg do Dale drills use? Remember looking at them at Groundswell and thinking looked good.

They use their own design again 12mm like the Metcalfe but lack that anti bung device. Think I’m paranoid about blocked coulters on the road side!

 

[Wombat]

What are those fitted to a Horsch?

It was on an Agrisem toolbar I bought. Only used it for a few acres of test this autumn. It’s a beast from the side but front on is quite slim

 

[alomy75]

They use their own design again 12mm like the Metcalfe but lack that anti bung device. Think I’m paranoid about blocked coulters on the road side!

Just don’t drop it down while stationary! I’m on year 5 with my metcalfes on a sprinter and in that time I could probably count the blocks I’ve had on all of my bodily digits

 

[Alistair Nelson]

Just don’t drop it down while stationary! I’m on year 5 with my metcalfes on a sprinter and in that time I could probably count the blocks I’ve had on all of my bodily digits

Fair call I’m trying to make it idiot proof as I have it to use some of the time hence the paranoia. But that’s good to hear if we do end up going down that root. I’m going to be at 160mm row spacing do you they generate a bit of tilth or more just cut a slot being so slim?

 

[Alistair Nelson]

It was on an Agrisem toolbar I bought. Only used it for a few acres of test this autumn. It’s a beast from the side but front on is quite slim

Any photos?