New Defender Commercial

[JP1]

For true farm work and towing surely a DMax Utility at £20k before discount is good enough ? Steel wheels , radio and CD, manual aircon , cruise control

I can’t think of much else I’d want or need and to do plenty of miles in if necessary

 

[feilding]

I wonder if the person you saw driving the Defender thought "what a pig ugly thing that is" about what you were driving!!

perhaps so. I was driving a discovery 2 td5. I know which looks the best.

 

[Paddington]

I often pass one parked in a yard and have wondered what the white square is for on the rear side window. First time I saw it I thought the owner had just collected it and it still had the sales leaflet stuck on the window. Perhaps it's a whiteboard where other drivers can leave their comments ?

 

[Frankzy]

As I said previously there are microprocessors in almost anything today. Its inclusion does not class it as a computer as most people understand it as being a major control unit processing data and controlling a variety of different functions. Yes they do count bus modules as computers to get those silly numbers because they have inbuilt microprocessors.
Heck, even USB chargers for phones have microprocessors inside them to interpret the many signals passing through, which control various parameters but nobody normally calls them computers. If you do class such things as computers than of course most new cars get up to absurd numbers as microprocessors are found all over the place in them mostly doing relatively simple tasks, themselves controlled by what is normally known as a computer, the ECU's of this world

You are correct in that you can't really call every single microcontroller a computer but it is a case of where do you draw the line. I also think you are slightly conflating microprocessors and microcontrollers, microcontrollers is usually the kind of "dumb" microchips you might find in a microwave while a microprocessor is the same as the processor that we have in our PC, smartphone, laptop, etc only smaller.*
So the only real difference is that it is slower than a modern computer but does that mean that a computer from the 90s is no longer a computer??

* To be fair the definition for what is a microcontroller and microprocessor has gotten very muddy lately with the "System on Chip" idea which is a microprocessor combined with RAM, storage and peripherals on a single chip which used to be what defined something as a microcontroller...

 

[ricky_rascal]

I often pass one parked in a yard and have wondered what the white square is for on the rear side window. First time I saw it I thought the owner had just collected it and it still had the sales leaflet stuck on the window. Perhaps it's a whiteboard where other drivers can leave their comments ?

Its where you jot down what has stopped working for the next time it’s at the dealers

I have a dmax and a d5 discovery and they are light years apart, we have a mile long rough track down into the farm and the dmax rattles and bangs it’s way in whereas the disco glides in silently. However the disco is a complex bit of kit not sure suitable for farming work but who knows.

A bit chalk and cheese though aren’t they. One costs at least twice as much as the other. Disco is a complex bit of kit that is great - until it goes wrong. D-max isn’t very complex and interior is plastic mostly clipped together that after time starts to rattle and squeak plus I don’t think Isuzu have ever heard of sound insulation

My sister called up today and has recently acquired an NHS lease car in the form of a twin motor Tesla. Forget big engines, electric is the future! All this short runs is no good for the modern diesel engined ’ute’ then the answer is simple - electric.

For true farm work and towing surely a DMax Utility at £20k before discount is good enough ? Steel wheels , radio and CD, manual aircon , cruise control

I can’t think of much else I’d want or need and to do plenty of miles in if necessary

I totally agree. They aren’t a Defender or a Disco but does the job just the same for a lot less money.

 

[Cowabunga]

You are correct in that you can't really call every single microcontroller a computer but it is a case of where do you draw the line.

Yet they must do to get anywhere near the oft-quoted 80 computers. Its rubbish. It has nowhere near that number of actual management control units, ECU's, that a normal person would classify as being a computer. Probably about a tenth of that number if not less.

 

[hally]

For true farm work and towing surely a DMax Utility at £20k before discount is good enough ? Steel wheels , radio and CD, manual aircon , cruise control

I can’t think of much else I’d want or need and to do plenty of miles in if necessary

Can never understand why these pickup manufacturers don’t put auto boxes in these work specced vehicles, great for towing, off-road and definitely growing in demand. Toyota do a basic hilux with vinyl seats, no carpets etc perfect for farm use but once you have had an auto most people would not go back.

 

[TripleSix]

Saw that on Twitter. Think someone said it was backed up to the pig docks? Thought pig job wasn’t so good

Yeah it was me that took the photo.

 

[feilding]

Can never understand why these pickup manufacturers don’t put auto boxes in these work specced vehicles, great for towing, off-road and definitely growing in demand. Toyota do a basic hilux with vinyl seats, no carpets etc perfect for farm use but once you have had an auto most people would not go back.

A lot of countries now are auto box as standard and manual box special order, on all models, our importers are lagging behind as usual. Who would go back to manual after having a auto, I know I never will.

 

[Cowabunga]

A lot of countries now are auto box as standard and manual box special order, on all models, our importers are lagging behind as usual. Who would go back to manual after having a auto, I know I never will.

That's a sea change in attitude for many pickup buyers. When I said that automatic was way best for pickups ten years ago, when very few pickups indeed were sold with an auto box, if any, I was pretty much ridiculed. Now its mainstream and almost aspirational.

The time they are a'changing said Bob Dylan. He was right.

 

[moretimeforgolf]

These commercial vehicles with a list price of over £40k .... do they fall foul of the excessive road fund license fees in subsequent years after purchase that normal cars do? Or is just the flat rate £275/year?

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Saw that on Twitter. Think someone said it was backed up to the pig docks? Thought pig job wasn’t so good

Obviously the owner of that must have some sheep and beef as well.

 

[mf7480]

These commercial vehicles with a list price of over £40k .... do they fall foul of the excessive road fund license fees in subsequent years after purchase that normal cars do? Or is just the flat rate £275/year?

Discovery commercial is £275/ year from the first year.
Standard Discovery is £1345 in the first year, and from the second year is £885+luxury car tax of £490, so £1375 for years 2-5. Then the standard £885.

So between buying a standard car personally and a commerical through a business, in the first 5 years you're saving
-£5870 in road tax
-£8750 in VAT
-£10750 in corporation tax

It adds up to over £25k, not even including the income tax you would have to pay to earn the £60k to pay for a car.

 

[Michael S]

A lot of countries now are auto box as standard and manual box special order, on all models, our importers are lagging behind as usual. Who would go back to manual after having a auto, I know I never will.

Me, I had a 2014 L200 auto, 20mpg, perhaps 22mpg on a good day. 2018 Toyota Hilux Active DC and I struggle to get it below 30mpg. Autos do need high output engines in my experience, I have a 2011 Cayenne diesel and it generally manages over 30mpg.

 

[Lakesdigger]

Discovery commercial is £275/ year from the first year.
Standard Discovery is £1345 in the first year, and from the second year is £885+luxury car tax of £490, so £1375 for years 2-5. Then the standard £885.

So between buying a standard car personally and a commerical through a business, in the first 5 years you're saving
-£5870 in road tax
-£8750 in VAT
-£10750 in corporation tax

It adds up to over £25k, not even including the income tax you would have to pay to earn the £60k to pay for a car.

Hence no saving on initial purchase price with a commercial

 

[ricky_rascal]

Obviously the owner of that must have some sheep and beef as well.

Ah of course! Probably a good lump of arable maybe

Discovery commercial is £275/ year from the first year.
Standard Discovery is £1345 in the first year, and from the second year is £885+luxury car tax of £490, so £1375 for years 2-5. Then the standard £885.

To most that run round in a Discovery or Range Rover £1375 a year won’t bother them. Whatever you run there is a cost. Filled up with diesel in dmax and the petrol cans for quad and lawn mower today. Fuel has taken a hike back up

I was listening to a science podcast last week that was discussing climate change (imagine that ) and in I think they said Finland that any car with an internal combustion engine had a 100% tax. Evidently electric cars are becoming very popular..

 

[Frankzy]

Yet they must do to get anywhere near the oft-quoted 80 computers. Its rubbish. It has nowhere near that number of actual management control units, ECU's, that a normal person would classify as being a computer. Probably about a tenth of that number if not less.

No they count the number of computers, the only difference between the ECU and the controller for your 8-way power seat is the amount of memory and processing speed. If you want to try and define a computer so that ECU's are included while the smaller controller isn't you'll have to use something completely arbitrary such as "A computer must include X amount of memory and run at least Y MHz clock speed".
But if you do that now all of a sudden all older computers just ceased to be computers!

 

[RH15LEW]

Ah of course! Probably a good lump of arable maybe



To most that run round in a Discovery or Range Rover £1375 a year won’t bother them. Whatever you run there is a cost. Filled up with diesel in dmax and the petrol cans for quad and lawn mower today. Fuel has taken a hike back up

I was listening to a science podcast last week that was discussing climate change (imagine that ) and in I think they said Finland that any car with an internal combustion engine had a 100% tax. Evidently electric cars are becoming very popular..

Where do you get £885 from? I pay £490 on my 2019 Discovery as below

 

[Cowabunga]

Where do you get £885 from? I pay £490 on my 2019 Discovery as belowView attachment 956848

Have you forgotten to add the annual £335 luxury car tax on top that you have to pay for the first five years?

 

[RH15LEW]

Have you forgotten to add the annual £335 luxury car tax on top that you have to pay for the first five years?

Nope, it’s included