New Highway code rules ffs

[Derrick Hughes]

I agree with to much trafic , but the overiding factor in my book is that some car drivers are in to much of a rush , overtaking being the biggest risk , when I go out of a weekend most cars will come up behind you and if it's not safe will wait a few minutes until it is safe , but you always get those that just fly past when there are cars coming almost clipping your pedals and worse still on the brow of a hill , I have no control over this and that's the worry, strange that a lot of the time it's Transit Vans

 

[TheTallGuy]

Riding into stationery objects doesn't often cause death.

I get your point, I really do, but realistically this is probably a normal RTA. Indeed a stationery vehicle would be unusual and would be commented on by the media.

My point is if you google virtually any motoring injury story and more often than not it is 'car', 'lorry' or 'van' as though it is the vehicle themselves which have agency, when they certainly don't.

Edit - here's an example https://www.expressandstar.com/news...y-head-injuries-after-hit-and-run-in-walsall/

It is the 'car' which mounted the pavement. The 'vehicle' then drove away. It is an oddity of the English language but you could express it as the driver and it wouldn't be so dehumanising on the victim. Road traffic accidents aren't acts of god, they are violence from one person onto another, deliberately or not.

The car "mounted the pavement" would be correct as it was the vehicle which mounted the pavement, not the driver and without evidence that the person in the driving seat was in full control of the vehicle it could potentially be libelous to say that they "drove" the vehicle onto the the pavement.

 

[HatsOff]

I'm be amazed if a hit and run driver sued for libel.

 

[TheTallGuy]

I agree with to much trafic , but the overiding factor in my book is that some car drivers are in to much of a rush , overtaking being the biggest risk , when I go out of a weekend most cars will come up behind you and if it's not safe will wait a few minutes until it is safe , but you always get those that just fly past when there are cars coming almost clipping your pedals and worse still on the brow of a hill , I have no control over this and that's the worry, strange that a lot of the time it's Transit Vans

Yesterday I got behind a cyclist approaching a wide sweeping bend that's very deceptive so I held back until I could be certain nothing was coming the other way. The person in the car behind didn't wait more than a second... only to be confronted by a car coming the other way at speed & wide - exactly the reason I had held back!

 

[TheTallGuy]

I'm be amazed if a hit and run driver sued for libel.

Alleged hit & run driver...

 

[HatsOff]

Alleged hit & run driver...

'Alleged' would mean there's no evidence. However the evidence of the news story is quite compelling.

 

[TheTallGuy]

'Alleged' would mean there's no evidence. However the evidence of the news story is quite compelling.

Nothing to do with evidence... there was compelling evidence of a farmer throwing a car over with his telehandler and hitting a person with the forks/carriage, but he was acquitted. There was compelling evidence against the Colston 4, but they were acquitted.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

For court cases involving cycling it would depend if the judge is pro or anti cyclist in some cases , been some crazy judgements

 

[Derrick Hughes]

 

[Vader]

 

[Ncap]

A CYCLIST has died following a crash with a transit van on the A259.

Emergency services were called to reports of a collision between a cyclist and a white transit high-top van on the A259 at 10.40 this morning.

The cyclist died at the scene.
The road remains closed from the roundabout to the junction with Top Road at Hooe, and his expected to remain closed for some time.
Drivers are being asked to avoid the area and find alternative routes

Thank you Derrick
That’s without doubt both the most sensible and humane comment I have seen on this forum
Others should think long about this

 

[Derrick Hughes]

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[Derrick Hughes]

Thanks to the nice lady who stopped and let me cross this morning after the other 6 male drivers just glared at my and shot past

 

[Robt]

You are correct I am assuming things, it could be a case the van was uncontrolled... But it is almost certainly a typical RTA.

Assuming it is a typical RTA, your reply illustrates my point nicely - when the van is discussed as an inanimate object, no-one bothers. Once the van is being controlled by a person, shock horror. I wasn't accusing the driver of murder, or even causing death by dangerous/careless driving, just that if the person in the van wasn't there, no death would have occurred.

The Term RTA is no longer used. Very rarely are crashes accidents . They are now and have been for a while , called RTC .

 

[Chuckie]

How are you supposed to teach young children how to cross the road now?

Tell them just to walk out and the traffic will stop?

 

[TheTallGuy]

How are you supposed to teach young children how to cross the road now?

Tell them just to walk out and the traffic will stop?

No, you tell them to stop and wait for either a suitable gap or the vehicles to stop.

 

[Paddington]

How do you tell a guide dog that the car which has just stopped next to it on the road will not drive forward again before the dog owner has crossed the road ? Guide dogs are trained to look for a car free area to cross. No use the driver waving the owner across as the owner can't see him.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

No, you tell them to stop and wait for either a suitable gap or the vehicles to stop.

Dangle a leg over the kerb like I dangled a wheel , but don't expect any mercy to a child , they run over them at any age

 

[76masseyman]

How are you supposed to teach young children how to cross the road now?

Tell them just to walk out and the traffic will stop?

Are lollipop men and ladies redundant now ?

 

[76masseyman]