New limits to SFI.

[serf]

Simple Minds

Bet they were a good gig !

 

[Case290]

The reality no subs no farming. The prices definitely arnt good enough to support the input costs / running cost of farms maybe if you didt put a labour cost inn and used machinery from 10-20 yrs ago but realistically own labour is probably at least x2 employed people. . We going to see some big changes fairly soon

 

[DrWazzock]

Indeed. It all reminds me of a story once told by my uncle who worked on runway construction in Singapore during his national service. They paid the native workers some ridiculously low wage by our standards yet they worked hard in the heat and humidity. Anyway a new commander arrived and was appalled at the low pay earned by the workers. So he ordered the pay to be doubled as it would still be insignificant to the cost of building the runway. The next week the workers only turned up on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday!

 

[Hjcarter]

Happy to admit if im wrong on this topic but would i not be right in saying the main production plant for in particular "range rover" is at the solihull plant in UK?? So regardless of shareholdings they are build in the UK providing many jobs and an economic return all the same

And that's not counting the jobs it has created for specialists fixing the motors....

 

[Hjcarter]

Regardless of how it's done it feels like we're being subsidised to produce cheaper food for processors and supermarkets to sell cheaply to the British public some of whom pay tax to the state to subside us to produce cheaper food for processors and supermarkets to......

Just feels like a big ol' Ponzi scheme to be honest....

That's without considering the British public subsidising the supermarkets employees through tax credits, etc, etc.....

As a nation we're on the merry go round which we have to keep spinning faster and faster with no way off.....

 

[DrWazzock]

The reality no subs no farming. The prices definitely arnt good enough to support the input costs / running cost of farms maybe if you didt put a labour cost inn and used machinery from 10-20 yrs ago but realistically own labour is probably at least x2 employed people. . We going to see some big changes fairly soon

Yes. Doing it because you enjoy it or feel the need to feed the nation is wearing fairly thin. It’s pointless once the reward doesn’t do justice to the expense and now more importantly the risk, stress and effort. I imagine we will be seeing boatloads of grains and oilseeds coming from Ukraine for the foreseeable future with only more adverse restrictions costs and rules here. I honestly can’t see production being maintained here at all. Far from it. Big reductions. But isn’t that what they want? They want everything to look low carbon and natural here while importing goods with the carbon footprint offshored. But as the election is looming they’ve made a few concessions to the Daily Mail about food security and to the AIC who are starting to realise their turnover could collapse.

 

[DrWazzock]

incidentall, i thought might see the might Cyclone in the Bicker Bar sale last weekend!!

The Standen Cyclone is still here. Not sure what to do with it. If I put it outside it will soon be rusted to uselessness. But it takes up a lot of shed space. Probably never use it again. It’s a health and safety nightmare. Most people are only interested in the David Brown tractor unit. Yet somehow it feels like an awful shame to cut up a machine that still works and is one of only a handful left. Similar with lots of things here. The grain handling system, is 1950’s vintage but still works. It was too labour intensive so we use central storage now. We also have a home mill and mix system that works with it. All largely redundant now as bought in feed is actually no dearer when you add up all the costs. How things have changed. I’m making myself redundant and SFI only speeds that up. Maybe that’s why “I put obstacles” in its path. It’s a very peculiar feeling for one brought up to maximising production and to some extent told that hard work was a virtue. I suppose same has been felt in many a northern industrial town. It’s just come to us later.

 

[Jimdog1]

Because I looked online to see about replacing a tractor. When I last bought a new tractor in 2007 it cost me £36'600 and now I can only get one with 6000hrs for the same money. My baler has done 48000bales and I am wanting to get a reliable one to bale straw for those £1000 suckled calves to lie on. How much will that cost me compared to 8 years ago.
Do you want me to go on? Diesel,fertiliser,chemicals,vet bills,pick ups to tow these expensive suckled calves? These calves are where they should have been years ago!

I don't know your circumstances. I see plenty of people moaning about access to free cash from the taxpayer.

 

[fieldfarmer]

I asked how they had come to the rates and they said on here many times it was income forgone
I wasn’t suggesting that that amount should be compensated but there is income made off hill ground as well as arable so if it is income forgone then the powers that be shouldn’t assume that £4 per acre would buy us or £60 per acre would pay us enough to knacker the ground
Remember we are talking about income off various land

Ok £790 per acre
Where’s my income forgone ?

I though you put an excessive amount of whole farm output into one field , added it up and came to the figure above of £790 per acre then asked for your income forgone per that acre.

 

[livestock 1]

I though you put an excessive amount of whole farm output into one field , added it up and came to the figure above of £790 per acre then asked for your income forgone per that acre.

£7900 actually

 

[livestock 1]

If you looked at it another way 3 ewes per acre £450 output per acre

 

[livestock 1]

I don't know your circumstances. I see plenty of people moaning about access to free cash from the taxpayer.

What did you do with your taxpayer money?
You said you didn’t need it

 

[Jimdog1]

What did you do with your taxpayer money?
You said you didn’t need it

Spent it of course! I'll take what comes my way but chasing it is a road to nowhere. And if the emphasis changes and you are left out........

 

[Huno]

My only involvement with Sheep BTT is a kebab in Nottingham after seeing a band! Last one was 10 days ago after seeing Twin Atlantic. Didn't bother last Sunday after seeing Simple Minds as parked car further out of town. Sadly no more bands in the diary until May 1st The Kills.

Mark Spenser's personal advisor?????

 

[Hindsight]

Mark Spenser's personal advisor?????

I wish. At least I would then be up for a civil service pension.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

just feed (mineral) buckets according to bumpf , no creep feeders or troughs

quote:

• use supplementary feed except for mineral blocks

That’s the Stewardship option, you can under SFI

”There must be an intact grass sward throughout the year, without compacted areas or poaching.  You can carry out supplementary feeding of livestock on the grassland, but you must make sure this does not cause poaching.”

 

[fieldfarmer]

Ok £790 per acre
Where’s my income forgone ?

£7900 actually

Make your mind up.

 

[livestock 1]

Whichever figure you use doesn’t matter the correct figure looking back is £7090 per acre
You would have to be very bias against any livestock producing operation to say that it’s ‘income forgone’ that they are working off
It isn’t
So what is it? Not land values not earning potential.

 

[Jimdog1]

Whichever figure you use doesn’t matter the correct figure looking back is £7090 per acre
You would have to be very bias against any livestock producing operation to say that it’s ‘income forgone’ that they are working off
It isn’t
So what is it? Not land values not earning potential.

What would be an appropriate amount for your situation?

 

[livestock 1]

What would be an appropriate amount for your situation?

No idea something similar to others be that none or a higher figure doesn’t matter