New limits to SFI.

[livestock 1]

Probably because you will keep delivering them, whether they pay you or not.

Maybe I should undeliver them

 

[Jimdog1]

Won’t happen will it

Definitely getting harder to ignore it.

 

[Jimdog1]

Probably because you will keep delivering them, whether they pay you or not.

I think @livestock 1 would argue that he doesn't have a choice.

 

[Andy26]

I think @livestock 1 would argue that he doesn't have a choice.

And I think this is why the SFI options for Hill and LFA were so poor, the same thing will happen regardless. Or their utopia of rewilding.

 

[Clive]

No you don't its money for old rope and you know it. There's no more risk in SFI that there was in BPS, the main risk is the RPA inspectors declaring you've done something contrary to the rules and wanting their money back. There's no business risk at all, so to pretend your SFI will be earned by the sweat of your brow is utterly mendacious. In many cases you'll be being paid for things you'd have been doing anyway, so how exactly is that 'earning' it?

i’ve got a lot of expensive seed sat waiting to drill with a very expensive drill and tractor to get my “money for nothing”

bps was beyond argument money for nothing - i’ve seen the BNG that sfi option deliver on my farm already and it’s a dramatic and positive thing that tax payers are definitely benefiting from, it’s certainly not “nothing”

 

[livestock 1]

Does this mean a public good is only of value if your not doing it?

 

[willyorkshire]

Any arable land is good compared to hill land

But not necessarily profitable.

 

[lloyd]

Waiting to drill with a very expensive drill and tractor to get my “money for nothing”

You would have those items regardless of sfi.
Has anyone actually asked the tax payers if they want food
security or wildflowers?
As for all this importing waffle well the last 24 hrs obviously
shows the government was getting concerned about relying
more on imports.

 

[livestock 1]

But not necessarily profitable.

Are you telling me now that there’s arable land that’s incapable of growing grass?

 

[britishblue]

Average price of buying a ha of land in Ukraine in jan 2024
is quoted at 900 euros ha so where is the value to the
UK tax payer in paying £853 ha for wild bird food for one year .?

Do you really think their is a queue of buyers wanting to go to Ukraine just now? I would think land is unsaleable at the moment.

 

[lloyd]

Do you really think their is a queue of buyers wanting to go to Ukraine just now? I would think land is unsaleable at the moment.

land values have actually increased in big parts of Ukraine the last 12 months .
There wasn't a big queue to buy land in Aberdeenshire at £600 acre in the early 90s either.

 

[ffukedfarmer]

But did they do absolutely nothing?

yes

 

[Henarar]

Are you telling me now that there’s arable land that’s incapable of growing grass?

some of it would be bloody poor

 

[britishblue]

land values have actually increased in big parts of Ukraine the last 12 months .
There wasn't a big queue to buy land in Aberdeenshire at £600 acre in the early 90s either.

Thats quite a surprise.The risk factor would be to great for me! I remember when a local farmer started a business in East Germany after the wall came down, money kept dissappearing out his East German bank account and he could get nowhere trying to trace it so he packed it all in!

 

[oil barron]

Do you really think their is a queue of buyers wanting to go to Ukraine just now? I would think land is unsaleable at the moment.

It is still banned for foreign nationals to buy land in Ukraine. Land sales full stop only started in 2021 after two decades of no sales and is limited to 100hectares. When these rules are removed there will be the biggest land rush the world has ever seen.

 

[lloyd]

It is still banned for foreign nationals to buy land in Ukraine. Land sales full stop only started in 2021 after two decades of no sales and is limited to 100hectares. When these rules are removed there will be the biggest land rush the world has ever seen.

It's not limited to 100 hectares changed in January.
Ukrainian citizens can now accumulate upto 10,000 hectares
but atm still restrictions for foreign nationals as you state.

 

[farmerm]

I think his point is that we used to be able to get on and farm rather than all this that and the other which we all seem to spend a lot of time doing now. It’s all cost and it all reduces productivity

can you list what you consider to be this, that and the other which you consider to be a waste of time and how much time per year does it take you out of productive work, is it really more than a day or 2 total?

 

[farmerm]

You would have those items regardless of sfi.
Has anyone actually asked the tax payers if they want food
security or wildflowers?
As for all this importing waffle well the last 24 hrs obviously
shows the government was getting concerned about relying
more on imports.

No they are concerned about the potential headlines in an election year

 

[lloyd]

No they are concerned about the potential headlines in an election year

Why would they be concerned as some farmers think
this is what the public want?

 

[lloyd]

can you list what you consider to be this, that and the other which you consider to be a waste of time and how much time per year does it take you out of productive work, is it really more than a day or 2 total?

You obviously haven't encountered 60 day testing because the
government has been shambolic in controlling bovine tb.
Every 60 days until you go clear it is a couple of days wasted.