New Mzuri rehab subcast
- Thread starter Clive
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- Gainsborough, Lincolnshire
What is really needs is some proper heavy land to test it out - so feel free to send it my way when yours is done!View attachment 63804View attachment 63805View attachment 63806View attachment 63807
Just about to give this a try vs our 750a in a same field TFF trail style
More pics and video latter hopefully
Tractor Boy
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- Location
- Suffolk
Am I a bit thick. Is that not a protil drill with a stocks hopper instead of the usual hopper?
chuck it on with spinner and work it in with the carrier
We have a fancy version of that - bio drill on the carrier ! Same idea but saves a pass and a bit better spread pattern than a spinner
Will compare the yield of some done like that and some done with our 750a to see if establishment method does make any difference or not
Missing a few coulters too by the look of it.
I'm sure @Martin Lole can explain better but it's a rehab subsoiler plus a detachable small hopper tool bar with half the number of coulters of a protil following each subsoiler leg
You can drop the drill toolbar of and are then left with a low disturbance subsoiler
There is pressure on the rear packers / depth wheels that do a very nice consolidation job over the seed
I think it will do very well and have always been a fan of osr on wide rows like this
As for price - no idea !
I can see that it is a good idea for those with poor structure etc etc, but with the improved structure from DD'ing and the benefit of minimal soil movement for weed control that brings dont you think that it is a backward step in your situation plus the cost of another machine. I realise its only a trial but if it works/yields better than the 750 what do you think it says about dd'ing in general and the 750 in particular, just playing devils advocate.
PS soil looks in lovely nick
I agree with the above, quite possibly would be a backward step, this is just a trial to see if subsoiling osr does bring any benifit. I had no interest in a strip till dril last year but still found a trial interesting and of use to compare my own system to it as i hope others also did
Not many 750a users claim much consistent success with osr but I'm hoping addition of placed fert, straw removal and lime might fix that a bit ??? If it doesnt then other techniques like low disturbance sub cast might be the way forward ??
I am interested in a low disturbance subsoiler for that bit of remedial work in field gateways or compost tip sites etc you get every year, sumo gls and Mzuri rehab are the best I've seen yet
TelesnaAg
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- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
Clive, is there a chance of seeing a pic of the actual seed trench and its width.
And wide rows for OSR? does the ability to let the plant branch out contribute significantly to yield?
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And wide rows for OSR? does the ability to let the plant branch out contribute significantly to yield?
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marco
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- Location
- tipperary, ireland
Why dont you just establish it off the carrier? If it works for cover crops why not osr?
SilliamWhale
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Well I drilled some rape yesterday and made a bit of a pigs ear of it I fear.
1. Couldn't see where I was going as the disturbance is so low and for some reason my guidance blackbox was playing up badly.
2. I mixed some sulphur prills with the rape for the metering system and it ground a few up and so I had a few blockages. Also drilled with DAP @ 100kg/ha (it looks too much when on the ground though)
On the plus side, its early, there are no slugs and the soil isn't bad and all the seed is on the ground somewhere so even if I have a few gaps from spout blocks at 7.5" hopefully there will be plenty @ 15" to fill in the gap.
I need to make a change for next year though as its a bit too stressy to be drilling like this. The placement is good enough though.
I have established some this way for a comparison, I don't think it's the right way to do it however as soil disturbance at drilling is going to germinate and dramatically increase weed pressure IMO.
The difference between the 3 methods should be interesting to observe
I will go take some for you latter
From past experience withy a Claydon V drill running every other row there certainly doesn't seem to be a yield penalty to wide rows. Osr is a bush really so you get more side branching
I don't know how anyone can zero- till without a good steering system, you just can't see where we have been. I know they are expensive but surely the money your saving on metal and diesel you could treat yourself for Christmas ?
I used 100 L of liquid AS on the drill, it didn't seem like a lot really just dripping from the outlets
To keep fert equal across all 3 establishment methods the carrier field was sprayed either glyphosate in 100 L of AS rather than water and the sub cast area has had 100L/ha applied on top after the drill
SilliamWhale
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I don't think I can afford it - not yet anyway. What are they £10k? I want to convert another barn soon so want to get finances better. I think maybe something fixed to the outer disc doing a tiny bit of dragging may be a solution.
Its quite easy if there is a bit of dew or if I doing wheat or beans as the disc is deeper and you can see it no problem. Just a shame the cruizer was playing up