New Zealand - Land of milk and honey? Holwellcourtfarm's tour 2017

[Courier]

wouldnt half please ukipers in the last but one election

Many folk I have come across who voted UKIP tell me they did so in the full expectation that they were voting in a safe (Con or Lab) seat and would not have done so in a PR situation. They knew that their vote didn't count under FPTP.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

The reality is that the blue and greens could form a government without Winston and both parties could get something done, problem is that the greens aren't actually "green" but more like shite red, and their inability to work and or compromise over the last 9 years and the "Turei" debarcle basically means the vote for the greens has been a wasted vote. The coment that the youth would determine the out come of this election (Jacinderella/Taxcinda) or women (Rachel "Toxic" Stewart) just didn't eventuate, the out come of this election was determinded by the ......OAP's and old people.
Personally I'm not too bothered with a Labour /Green /Winston First coalition, because I can't see it lasting a full electoral term!

That's pretty much what I was going to say, with less swearing.
For farmers- and exporters in general - we often do really quite well at the start of a Labour term (because the dollar turns to monopoly money) before reality sets in, we can't afford socialist policy with our relatively small population base, and "entitlement culture"

 

[Kiwi Pete]

So not really much difference to here

Edit, would it not be far better to just throw the greens into the sea ?

It goes against party policy to pollute the water with effluent
But short answer, yes, too many single policy parties to distract the voter and get a free lunch based on 'white noise' IMVHO

 

[FonterraFarmer]

It goes against party policy to pollute the water with effluent
But short answer, yes, too many single policy parties to distract the voter and get a free lunch based on 'white noise' IMVHO

You see Q&A this morning? Jim Bolger backs up my reasoning with regard to the "greens".

 

[Kiwi Pete]

You see Q&A this morning? Jim Bolger backs up my reasoning with regard to the "greens".

Nah, I don't watch the gogglebox, what were his thoughts on the Greens

 

[kiwi pom]

Nah, I don't watch the gogglebox, what were his thoughts on the Greens

He reckons the greens should stop whining and talk to national and at least try and achieve something instead of banging on about how everyone is doing it wrong
Story here.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/po...responsibility-to-talk-to-national-jim-bolger

I think they'll just wait 3 years though and team up with labour next time as I think ,assuming they get in this time, it will be nationals last go for a bit.

Imagine the look on Winston's face if they did team up and cut him out

 

[Kiwi Pete]

It will be his last hurrah either way I feel.
Will be interesting to see the future NZF without Winnie

 

[FonterraFarmer]

He reckons the greens should stop whining and talk to national and at least try and achieve something instead of banging on about how everyone is doing it wrong
Story here.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/po...responsibility-to-talk-to-national-jim-bolger

I think they'll just wait 3 years though and team up with labour next time as I think ,assuming they get in this time, it will be nationals last go for a bit.

Imagine the look on Winston's face if they did team up and cut him out

I think who ever goes with Winston ,will be like a poisoned chalice, but if we get a Labour/Green/NZ First coaltion I think it will be only one term because I can't see Winston and the Greens cooperating or whoever is the Labour leader is keeping it together, relentless positivity just won't cut it

 

[BLG]

It’s a stupid system that allows a 75yr old who’s party only attracted less than 8 out of 100 voters have the power to determine who governs a country for the next term. Nine countries tried out MMP, only 4 have kept it, Germany, Japan, Lesotho and us!
As far as a Blue/Green government goes, I think it would be good, Merkel is doing it, but Shaw would be scared of the crazies in his party though I heard today that he hasn’t ruled it out which is a change from what he said on election night. The trouble with the Greens is that they have the mindset of a activist group not a political party.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

It’s a stupid system that allows a 75yr old who’s party only attracted less than 8 out of 100 voters have the power to determine who governs a country for the next term. Nine countries tried out MMP, only 4 have kept it, Germany, Japan, Lesotho and us!
As far as a Blue/Green government goes, I think it would be good, Merkel is doing it, but Shaw would be scared of the crazies in his party though I heard today that he hasn’t ruled it out which is a change from what he said on election night. The trouble with the Greens is that they have the mindset of a activist group not a political party.

If only the Greens rebranded themselves, I think the "Clayton's Party" would be apt for the current bunch.........

 

[kiwi pom]

It will be his last hurrah either way I feel.
Will be interesting to see the future NZF without Winnie

Does it have a future?
To change the subject for a sec @Kiwi Pete check your pm someone's trying to get hold of ya

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Does it have a future?
To change the subject for a sec @Kiwi Pete check your pm someone's trying to get hold of ya

Thanks @kiwi pom
He did!
Shows how little I know about my friends from the UK, we bought tea-bags especially for @holwellcourtfarm
...and they'd rather drink coffee!!

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Thanks @kiwi pom
He did!
Shows how little I know about my friends from the UK, we bought tea-bags especially for @holwellcourtfarm
...and they'd rather drink coffee!!

Assumptions! The work of the devil. Actually we do like a tea first in the morning but otherwise we're a coffee fuelled household.

Coffee is now considerably more popular than tea in England.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Assumptions! The work of the devil. Actually we do like a tea first in the morning but otherwise we're a coffee fuelled household.

Coffee is now considerably more popular than tea in England.

And here's me telling folk off for making generalisations about NZ...
I LIVE for coffee. I get about 3 hours tops between them. Or I'm a headachy wreck with the yawns....
I could just sleep I guess, "people die in their beds"

 

[phillipe]

Assumptions! The work of the devil. Actually we do like a tea first in the morning but otherwise we're a coffee fuelled household.

Coffee is now considerably more popular than tea in England.

Not so sure about that,165million cups of tea are drunk in the uk per day compared to 70 millon cups of coffee

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Not so sure about that,165million cups of tea are drunk in the uk per day compared to 70 millon cups of coffee

Really? Nobody had asked me about my beverage consumption

When I used to offer drinks round at my old work office coffee outnumbered tea hugely except at specific times.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

"The Land of Milk and Two Sugars"

 

[multi power]

Really? Nobody had asked me about my beverage consumption

When I used to offer drinks round at my old work office coffee outnumbered tea hugely except at specific times.

Nobody asked me either, but don't worry the amount of tea I drink will make up for all your coffee

 

[York]

Nobody asked me either, but don't worry the amount of tea I drink will make up for all your coffee

both can become a drug if over consumed.
Modesty in consumption is the trick.
Or the dosage is more like coloured water

Merkel & green coalition:
It's not a done deal over here jet. Might get still a going on with the previous coalition.
If we get the greens in power it will mean:
- less green energy from methane digesters (tooo costly & originally initiated by the green party when in power)
- tax on pesticide usage
- ban on Glyphosate
- much higher environmental strict law's
- more organic farming
- reducing chemical usage in conv. by >50% within the next 4 years
York-Th.

 

[kiwi pom]

Well the deals finally done, New government, Labour, NZ first and the Greens.
There may be trouble ahead