NHS and disappearing doctors

[ollie989898]

Wales?

Well Wales doesn't actually have a health service. It's more of an employment service in reality. I don't hold out much hope for it given the nature of the Welsh government who are the sort of people who spend 30,000 quid on painting a rainbow on the road. With that level of organisational acumen at the helm I honestly can't tell you what the future might hold.

 

[ollie989898]

That’s precisely what will happen tomorrow Ollie.

I missed this- where are these papers you intended to present?

 

[Still Farming]

Wales?

Well Wales doesn't actually have a health service. It's more of an employment service in reality. I don't hold out much hope for it given the nature of the Welsh government who are the sort of people who spend 30,000 quid on painting a rainbow on the road. With that level of organisational acumen at the helm I honestly can't tell you what the future might hold.

It feels like we don't, but we do have a health Service?
Years of Dickford and Eluned Morgan as took its toll and Vaughan Gething no better.
He was past Health Minister during covid who deleted his what's app messages conveniently too.

 

[ollie989898]

It feels like we don't, but we do have a health Service?
Years of Dickford and Eluned Morgan as took its toll and Vaughan Gething no better.
He was past Health Minister during covid who deleted his what's app messages conveniently too.

I honestly couldn't tell you, I have never worked there and honestly have no real intention of ever working there- but I have been told my multiple persons who have worked in it that all is not well.

I think a lot of health services could stand some improvement, some could do with a lot of improvement.

 

[Still Farming]

I honestly couldn't tell you, I have never worked there and honestly have no real intention of ever working there- but I have been told my multiple persons who have worked in it that all is not well.

I think a lot of health services could stand some improvement, some could do with a lot of improvement.

Tremendous frontline and general staff its the management and bosses that F all up.

 

[essex man]

Tremendous frontline and general staff its the management and bosses that F all up.

Doctors are the problem, the managers can't manage because they are not in charge of the key employees.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Doctors are the problem, the managers can't manage because they are not in charge of the key employees.

If the NHS has a problem its because it has way to many none health related staff on its payroll. Doctors and Nurses make up just 37% of the 1.7 million workforce and that is expected to rise to 2.4 million by 2036. (Nuffield Trust)

 

[essex man]

If the NHS has a problem its because it has way to many none health related staff on its payroll. Doctors and Nurses make up just 37% of the 1.7 million workforce and that is expected to rise to 2.4 million by 2036. (Nuffield Trust)

The nhs has a problem, doctors and nurses refuse to do what they are told.
The nhs has a problem, it is run by politicians and doctors.
Managers can't manage because they can't tell people what to do.
So more managers are added.
The nhs has a problem, doctors are paid by drug companies to push drugs needlessly onto patients.
The nhs has a problem, it overpays for drugs, it overpays doctors.
The nhs has problem because it is free to access.
The nhs has many problems, it should be burnt to the ground

 

[Muck Spreader]

The nhs has a problem, doctors and nurses refuse to do what they are told.
The nhs has a problem, it is run by politicians and doctors.
Managers can't manage because they can't tell people what to do.
So more managers are added.
The nhs has a problem, doctors are paid by drug companies to push drugs needlessly onto patients.
The nhs has a problem, it overpays for drugs, it overpays doctors.
The nhs has problem because it is free to access.
The nhs has many problems, it should be burnt to the ground

If you believe that twaddle I suggest you need to visit a doctor asap.

 

[ollie989898]

Some people are just utterly full of the proverbial. At least try to make it obvious you aren't completely full of the proverbial.

The NHS doesn't over pay doctors and it sure as fudge doesn't pay top dollar for drugs.

The only organisation deciding what may or may not be prescribed is NICE. If they don't approve it, you don't get it. Simple as that.

 

[essex man]

Some people are just utterly full of the proverbial. At least try to make it obvious you aren't completely full of the proverbial.

The NHS doesn't over pay doctors and it sure as fudge doesn't pay top dollar for drugs.

The only organisation deciding what may or may not be prescribed is NICE. If they don't approve it, you don't get it. Simple as that.

You don't understand how drug prices are negotiated, how and why drugs are developed do you?
You also don't understand how nice work and the commercial/political interference in their activities.
It must be nice to live in utopia

 

[yin ewe]

The NHS is a waste of time for anything other than emergency medical care.
Dad needs a hip replacement, saw GP 6 months ago got xrays done, name on list etc. 4 - 5 years to see a surgeon (he'd be 90 by that time) sister rang private clinic last Friday and £220 later he is seeing the surgeon tomorrow.
NHS has become a joke.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Some people are just utterly full of the proverbial. At least try to make it obvious you aren't completely full of the proverbial.

The NHS doesn't over pay doctors and it sure as fudge doesn't pay top dollar for drugs.

The only organisation deciding what may or may not be prescribed is NICE. If they don't approve it, you don't get it. Simple as that.

IMO NICE has been a success story and it has also benefitted many EU countries by setting lower benchmark prices. You only have to look at how much more the US has to pay for the same drugs to realise this.

 

[essex man]

The NHS is a waste of time for anything other than emergency medical care.
Dad needs a hip replacement, saw GP 6 months ago got xrays done, name on list etc. 4 - 5 years to see a surgeon (he'd be 90 by that time) sister rang private clinic last Friday and £220 later he is seeing the surgeon tomorrow.
NHS has become a joke.

Yep, my mother has a problem with her bladder, there was a procedure available, waiting list 13 months.
£2.5k and one week later she has it done privately.
Doctors restrict their nhs work as drives more patients into their more lucrative sideline
Covid was a real energiser for this process.

 

[Hindsight]

Yep, my mother has a problem with her bladder, there was a procedure available, waiting list 13 months.
£2.5k and one week later she has it done privately.
Doctors restrict their nhs work as drives more patients into their more lucrative sideline
Covid was a real energiser for this process.

There does appear increasingly from my position of a neutral observer (in that I do not have any major medical issue to sort out) to be a two tier delivery system developing. I increasingly come across friends and friends of friends that are paying privately for these 'routine' operations such as hips and knees for which the NHS has long waiting list. Middle class Boomer wealth. And of course unlike the 1960s/70s/80s working class folk have wealth - no longer do those folk live in a Council rented house and drive a 20 year old car. Mrs Thatchers reforms meant no all but many families hve access to the ability to raise cash from capital before death. So I expect (?) turning to private will become normalised. Additionally for the younger generation to whom knee replacement is not top of their list (!!) cosmetic surgery which is undertaken privately is fairly (?) normal and thus the younger generation are becoming familiar with private medical services.

 

[essex man]

There does appear increasingly from my position of a neutral observer (in that I do not have any major medical issue to sort out) to be a two tier delivery system developing. I increasingly come across friends and friends of friends that are paying privately for these 'routine' operations such as hips and knees for which the NHS has long waiting list. Middle class Boomer wealth. And of course unlike the 1960s/70s/80s working class folk have wealth - no longer do those folk live in a Council rented house and drive a 20 year old car. Mrs Thatchers reforms meant no all but many families hve access to the ability to raise cash from capital before death. So I expect (?) turning to private will become normalised. Additionally for the younger generation to whom knee replacement is not top of their list (!!) cosmetic surgery which is undertaken privately is fairly (?) normal and thus the younger generation are becoming familiar with private medical services.

It's not exactly large amounts of wealth that is required, compared to the amount people spend on holidays etc...it's more that people are not used to spending it on their health and thought they could rely on the nhs.
My mother is mortified at the amount spent on her body, relieving her pain, although she is mortified at the thought of all money spending tbf

 

[ollie989898]

IMO NICE has been a success story and it has also benefitted many EU countries by setting lower benchmark prices. You only have to look at how much more the US has to pay for the same drugs to realise this.

It's been a point of contention for years. The NHS drives down prices of drugs globally and has done for years and made them cheaper for many developing countries. The USA wanted to raise this point and have it dealt with in the trade talks the UK was supposed to enter with them.

 

[essex man]

NHS pays £500m too much for prescription drugs

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov