No subsidy for FBT tenants ??

[startinghandle]

I just heard on farming today after brexit landlords can stop tenants on farm business tenancies receiving subsidies

 

[neilo]

I just heard on farming today after brexit landlords can stop tenants on farm business tenancies receiving subsidies

I somehow doubt that, but I’d be happy to go along with as long as the rent dropped by the same amount.

 

[Henarar]

why would they ?

 

[Still Farming]

I just heard on farming today after brexit landlords can stop tenants on farm business tenancies receiving subsidies

Subsidies stopping anyhow possibly?
No subsidies no rent possibly ither?

 

[Formatted]

Tenant farmers 'may be locked out' of public goods schemes

Tenant farmers in England could end up being 'locked out' of the post-Brexit 'public money for public goods' schemes, the Tenant Farmers Association has warned.

www.farminguk.com

 

[Formatted]

Basically any FBT/AHA tenant where you have to get the landlords permission to enter a new environmental scheme could have their application to ELMs blocked. I know our FBT has a clause that we have to get written permission to enter any scheme that is longer than the length of our tenancy and that is pretty standard in most agreements

 

[yellow belly]

the fbts i have say that i must aply for iaccs or sfp and maintain the entitlements and some agreement mention succesor systems
most landlords give permission for stewardship
those that do not will have to farm the land with out an elms the rent will be negligable
as there will be free import of maize into the uk undercutting the feed grain price crops and livesock will have to stand on their own feet or land will be abandoned

iho most land lords will allow elms

 

[egbert]

I think it highly likely that landlords collectively have been carefully lobbying to ensure they get as much of new regime as pos.
They'd be daft not to.

'Natural capital'? sounds very much like the landowners property rather than the tenants.

 

[Formatted]

iho most land lords will allow elms

Yes most probably will but that isn't what the TFA are arguing against, there will be a number of landlords who have land out on a long term agreement that they'd rather have in hand and those landlords might use the clause to stop tenants gaining access to ELMs and forcing them to surrender the tenancy

 

[Billboy1]

A lot of rent arguments looming in the aha tenancy sector I fear

 

[Formatted]

A lot of rent arguments looming in the aha tenancy sector I fear

All my neighbouring AHA tenants in the estate pay less in rent than they get in BPS! They can push off if they think they are getting a rent reduction before I get one on my FBT.

 

[glasshouse]

I just heard on farming today after brexit landlords can stop tenants on farm business tenancies receiving subsidies

Nothing new there, i was locked out of all enviro payments from 2005

 

[Billboy1]

All my neighbouring AHA tenants in the estate pay less in rent than they get in BPS! They can push off if they think they are getting a rent reduction before I get one on my FBT.

Aha is a different kettle of fish compared to fbt regarding rent as you probably know already

 

[DRC]

All my neighbouring AHA tenants in the estate pay less in rent than they get in BPS! They can push off if they think they are getting a rent reduction before I get one on my FBT.

AHA should be based on the earning capacity of the farm. FBT is what anyone’s prepared to pay unfortunately .

 

[Henarar]

AHA should be based on the earning capacity of the farm. FBT is what anyone’s prepared to pay unfortunately .

so if on AHA and the landlord stops you claiming ELMS the rent should drop

 

[Billboy1]

so if on AHA and the landlord stops you claiming ELMS the rent should drop

Yes I would say so ? Does elms actually replace the money from bps?

 

[DRC]

so if on AHA and the landlord stops you claiming ELMS the rent should drop

I’m not sure they could or would. They’ve never stopped us claiming BPS or entering enviro schemes before .
If they did, then yes, it would impact the earning potential of the farm and would have to be taken into account in any rent review

 

[Bossfarmer]

dont worry the price of machinery and fert and fuel are going to plummet once subs are gone? is that not what everyone that voted for brexit said? a bonfire of red tape and form filling also

 

[Brisel]

Yes I would say so ? Does elms actually replace the money from bps?

No, and you'll have to spend more pence in the £ to get it too.

 

[Northdowns Martin]

Unless I’m mistaken subsidies have and are continuing to move towards environmental schemes, how will a landlord demonstrate he’s complying without tenants assistance. Result could be no subsidy earning capacity on the land.