Northern Irish Politics Thread (or what passes for politics in NI)

tractorsandcows

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Livestock Farmer
It's nothing new.

They took the British government to court years ago so they could claim expenses and salaries ferninst their Westminster seats even though they were making a big deal about boycotting Westminster.

Absolute two-faced, unprincipled, hypocritical, lying, scum.
Your last paragraph applies to 99% of politicians everywhere
 

Ashtree

Member
Your last paragraph applies to 99% of politicians everywhere
Ridiculous statement. To refer to a whole cohort of people as ”scum” as @yoki did, is far, far beyond the pale. In fact in NI it’s the treatment of the entire nationalist/Catholic population as a lesser class by the ruling unionist/Protestant class, which directly led to the civil rights movement and marches. That movement was led by none other than ultra constitutionalist such as Gerry Fitt, John Hulme, etc.
The rest is history. The RUC blasted the marchers off the streets. The very first victim of the troubles was an innocent Catholic shot dead by the UVF. Perspectives eh??
Capacity to quote from learned memory, from Isaiah can be none other than a cover for blind ignorance of the “full facts”!
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Ridiculous statement. To refer to a whole cohort of people as ”scum” as @yoki did, is far, far beyond the pale. In fact in NI it’s the treatment of the entire nationalist/Catholic population as a lesser class by the ruling unionist/Protestant class, which directly led to the civil rights movement and marches. That movement was led by none other than ultra constitutionalist such as Gerry Fitt, John Hulme, etc.
The rest is history. The RUC blasted the marchers off the streets. The very first victim of the troubles was an innocent Catholic shot dead by the UVF. Perspectives eh??
Capacity to quote from learned memory, from Isaiah can be none other than a cover for blind ignorance of the “full facts”!

"Pot calling the kettle black" spring to mind when i read this, take a long hard look at your own history, laws and numbers
 

Farm buy

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Livestock Farmer
It's nothing new.

They took the British government to court years ago so they could claim expenses and salaries ferninst their Westminster seats even though they were making a big deal about boycotting Westminster.

Absolute two-faced, unprincipled, hypocritical, lying, scum.
Absolutely not suitable language for this forum or any where for that matter. It is bordering on hate language
 

yoki

Member
Absolutely not suitable language for this forum or any where for that matter. It is bordering on hate language
They are spawned from an organisation which has murdered and maimed totally innocent men women and children, and far from being apologetic, SF honour and applaud those responsible for it.

And you're getting your pants in a knot about "hate language".

Educate yourself a bit on some of the things that have been carried out by those who our present First Minister is "proud" to call her friends. Pull up some of the pictures of the aftermath of "La Mon", the Droppin Well, Warrenpoint, Teebane, I could go on and on and on.

There are still homes in the country with an empty chair at the table every day thanks to the actions of these cowardly low-lifes.

Go ahead, report the post if it annoys you hearing someone calling them out for what they are.

Indeed, the language I used doesn't even come close to describing them adequately as there are no words!
 

Farm buy

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Livestock Farmer
They are spawned from an organisation which has murdered and maimed totally innocent men women and children, and far from being apologetic, SF honour and applaud those responsible for it.

And you're getting your pants in a knot about "hate language".

Educate yourself a bit on some of the things that have been carried out by those who our present First Minister is "proud" to call her friends. Pull up some of the pictures of the aftermath of "La Mon", the Droppin Well, Warrenpoint, Teebane, I could go on and on and on.

There are still homes in the country with an empty chair at the table every day thanks to the actions of these cowardly low-lifes.

Go ahead, report the post if it annoys you hearing someone calling them out for what they are.

Indeed, the language I used doesn't even come close to describing them adequately as there are no words!
You can rest easy. I have no interest in reporting anyone.
And I am sure there are two sides to every story, what year you start the research will also have a bearing on the conclusion of a person's perceptive of what and why the situation arose.
 

yoki

Member
You can rest easy. I have no interest in reporting anyone.
And I am sure there are two sides to every story, what year you start the research will also have a bearing on the conclusion of a person's perceptive of what and why the situation arose.
I'm resting entirely easy, indeed I'd welcome you trying to justify reporting a post calling out the supporters of the murder of innocents for what they are.

A friend of mine was called over to a car one night in Ballymena and shot point-blank in the face by these "brave volunteers". He worked in a shoe shop during the day and served as a Reserve Constable evenings and weekends trying to make the streets of 1970's Northern Ireland a bit safer for everyone.

He never even made it to his mid-twenties.

Now you tell me, what other "side" is there to the story that justifies his cowardly murder?

Travel all over Northern Ireland and you'll find stories exactly the same, maybe you could educate them what "other side" to their grief that they're not seeing.
 

Nenuphar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
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It's nothing new.

They took the British government to court years ago so they could claim expenses and salaries ferninst their Westminster seats even though they were making a big deal about boycotting Westminster.

Absolute two-faced, unprincipled, hypocritical, lying, scum.
Not the nicest thing to say about your fellow Irish people.

Time to move on and look forward my old pal.
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
The Irish government has announced funding commitments of over €800m for Shared Island projects.

These include:

  • €600m to the A5 North-West transport corridor
  • €50m to a redeveloped Casement Park in Belfast to create a high-quality sports stadium which can also host matches as part of the Euro2028 tournament
  • Funding for Narrow Water Bridge connecting the Cooley Peninsula in County Louth to County Down
  • €12.5m for a new hourly-frequency rail service between Belfast and Dublin
  • €10m in a renewed visitor experience at the Battle of the Boyne site due to reflect its unique historic significance to communities north and south
  • Working with the Astronomical Observatories of Ireland on how the heritage and tourism value of its three sites at Dunsink, Armagh, and Birr can be harnessed
  • Developing pilot cooperation schemes by enterprise agencies (up to €30m) and on education (up to €24m)
 

yoki

Member
The Casement Park situation is very interesting.

According to Leo it should be a multi-purpose stadium for all.

“We don’t intend to impose a legally binding commitment on who can and can't use the stadium; that would not be appropriate and it would just cause unnecessary delays

“But we are clearly saying this is tax payers' money we are investing in Casement Park. We know it’s going to be used for soccer for the Euros and Gaelic games.

“We would like to see it used more generally for sporting and cultural events. It should be a stadium that belongs to everyone in Belfast, everyone in Northern Irelandand everyone in the province of Ulster,” he says.

However, the GAA have a history of being very choosy about what their stadia are used for and tend not to take kindly to being told otherwise.

And there's still a matter of another upwards of £180m to find.

And, the clock is ticking for construction to start.
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
The Irish government has announced funding commitments of over €800m for Shared Island projects.

These include:

  • €600m to the A5 North-West transport corridor

never going to happen, too many people along the route against it, be much easier finishing upgrading the A6 to duel (all the way to DLD) and upgrade the A26 to duel, linking moria to dromore so the can go on to dublin bypassing belfast
  • €50m to a redeveloped Casement Park in Belfast to create a high-quality sports stadium which can also host matches as part of the Euro2028 tournament

not against Casement park or the funding for it, I do think it a sh!t location (remember the people around it don't want it) if i had my way i would build it in the docklands were it has good road and rail access, airport access. parking, and good access to the city center, the GAA would make a fortune from hosting lots of shows that way
  • Funding for Narrow Water Bridge connecting the Cooley Peninsula in County Louth to County Down

does anyone really want this. besides a few millionaires who don't want to drive thu Newry on the way to Dublin
  • €12.5m for a new hourly-frequency rail service between Belfast and Dublin

the decimal point in the wrong place. need 125 and upgrade the line to a high speed line, it shamfull that the slowest way between belfast/dublin id the Train, it should be the fastest
  • €10m in a renewed visitor experience at the Battle of the Boyne site due to reflect its unique historic significance to communities north and south

people really need taught the history of this battle, too many people boil it down to orange ver green, were in truth it was a very complex (political wise) battle, which defined europe
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
The Casement Park situation is very interesting.

According to Leo it should be a multi-purpose stadium for all.

“We don’t intend to impose a legally binding commitment on who can and can't use the stadium; that would not be appropriate and it would just cause unnecessary delays

“But we are clearly saying this is tax payers' money we are investing in Casement Park. We know it’s going to be used for soccer for the Euros and Gaelic games.

“We would like to see it used more generally for sporting and cultural events. It should be a stadium that belongs to everyone in Belfast, everyone in Northern Irelandand everyone in the province of Ulster,” he says.

However, the GAA have a history of being very choosy about what their stadia are used for and tend not to take kindly to being told otherwise.

And there's still a matter of another upwards of £180m to find.

And, the clock is ticking for construction to start.
Clearance/preparation work started on Monday.

Call it the Ulster Stadium. Presumably there will be a stadium management company formed similar to Windsor Park (IFA, Linfield FC reps etc).
In an ideal (naïve world) 30,000 + seater would be nice if the NI National Football team were to draw a "big team" in uefa/fifa qualifiers, or could help the IFA attract a big team for a friendly without massive ticket price potentially. Irish cup finals, remove the issue of if Linfield make a final don't have home advantage? Ulster rugby latter stages of european competition if Ravenhill not big enough/ rather going to Dublin? Ireland rugby internationals ?
One of the bigger Cork GAA ground was used by Munster Rugby recently. So have the GAA rules changed?
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
never going to happen, too many people along the route against it, be much easier finishing upgrading the A6 to duel (all the way to DLD) and upgrade the A26 to duel, linking moria to dromore so the can go on to dublin bypassing belfast


not against Casement park or the funding for it, I do think it a sh!t location (remember the people around it don't want it) if i had my way i would build it in the docklands were it has good road and rail access, airport access. parking, and good access to the city center, the GAA would make a fortune from hosting lots of shows that way


does anyone really want this. besides a few millionaires who don't want to drive thu Newry on the way to Dublin


the decimal point in the wrong place. need 125 and upgrade the line to a high speed line, it shamfull that the slowest way between belfast/dublin id the Train, it should be the fastest


people really need taught the history of this battle, too many people boil it down to orange ver green, were in truth it was a very complex (political wise) battle, which defined europe
Chat locally from different sources it is going ahead??
 

yoki

Member
Clearance/preparation work started on Monday.

Call it the Ulster Stadium. Presumably there will be a stadium management company formed similar to Windsor Park (IFA, Linfield FC reps etc).
In an ideal (naïve world) 30,000 + seater would be nice if the NI National Football team were to draw a "big team" in uefa/fifa qualifiers, or could help the IFA attract a big team for a friendly without massive ticket price potentially. Irish cup finals, remove the issue of if Linfield make a final don't have home advantage? Ulster rugby latter stages of european competition if Ravenhill not big enough/ rather going to Dublin? Ireland rugby internationals ?
One of the bigger Cork GAA ground was used by Munster Rugby recently. So have the GAA rules changed?
There's still a huge funding hole to fill and I can't see the GAA being prepared to splash the cash if they don't have control over it.

Talk of a total build cost now of £225m so someone is going to have to find a big old sock under the bed somewhere.
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Clearance/preparation work started on Monday.

Call it the Ulster Stadium. Presumably there will be a stadium management company formed similar to Windsor Park (IFA, Linfield FC reps etc).
In an ideal (naïve world) 30,000 + seater would be nice if the NI National Football team were to draw a "big team" in uefa/fifa qualifiers, or could help the IFA attract a big team for a friendly without massive ticket price potentially. Irish cup finals, remove the issue of if Linfield make a final don't have home advantage? Ulster rugby latter stages of european competition if Ravenhill not big enough/ rather going to Dublin? Ireland rugby internationals ?
One of the bigger Cork GAA ground was used by Munster Rugby recently. So have the GAA rules changed?

again ive no problem with it idea, it the location. it in the middle of a housing development, pee poor road connection. no parking. no rail link. don't want anothre coke park were every time you go to it you end up having to give a "local" £50 to look after your car in case "someone" damages it
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
There's still a huge funding hole to fill and I can't see the GAA being prepared to splash the cash if they don't have control over it.

Talk of a total build cost now of £225m so someone is going to have to find a big old sock under the bed somewhere.
I suppose it comes down to, Do they want a modern stadium? Yes they are entitled to their promised £70 million from the original sport stadium project, but they also managed to balls up the planning application and annoyed some of the local residents. So if the costs have increased they(Ulster GAA) either stump up a bit more cash or accept that are few more conditions if extra money from the UK Tax payer and Irish taxpayer is to be spent on it.
 

yoki

Member
again ive no problem with it idea, it the location. it in the middle of a housing development, pee poor road connection. no parking. no rail link. don't want anothre coke park were every time you go to it you end up having to give a "local" £50 to look after your car in case "someone" damages it
It's worth remembering that our assembly gave money for the redevelopment of Casement, Windsor, and Ravenhill all at the same time, with Ravenhill getting about a third of each of the other two.

Ravenhill was completed first, Windsor Park eventually got there, but all the problems at Casement stemmed from the residents themselves who didn't want a bl**dy great stadium in their back yards.

Was there not even a court case or such like?
 

yoki

Member
I suppose it comes down to, Do they want a modern stadium? Yes they are entitled to their promised £70 million from the original sport stadium project, but they also managed to balls up the planning application and annoyed some of the local residents. So if the costs have increased they(Ulster GAA) either stump up a bit more cash or accept that are few more conditions if extra money from the UK Tax payer and Irish taxpayer is to be spent on it.
That's an entirely logically summary.

So most likely totally irrelevant to what will actually happen!
 

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer
It's worth remembering that our assembly gave money for the redevelopment of Casement, Windsor, and Ravenhill all at the same time, with Ravenhill getting about a third of each of the other two.

Ravenhill was completed first, Windsor Park eventually got there, but all the problems at Casement stemmed from the residents themselves who didn't want a bl**dy great stadium in their back yards.

Was there not even a court case or such like?
Rugby crowd didn't really want much as such. Windsor needed a lot of work, (football still waiting on the sub regional stadium programme as well circa 36 million).
While Casement more or less had been run down for years, with Antrim GAA playing elsewhere with the big Ulster GAA games in Clones or Croke Park?

The original plan for Casement was a 42,000 seater stadium but residents pointed out how could they safely evacuate in event of fire etc so planned capacity was lowered.
 

JimAndy

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Mixed Farmer
think it was 2 court case that the residents both won. only the die hards want it there. but it be far better moved to the docklands (i would say the Titanic qur buty too many in east belfast would be unhappy), also if the do increase the funding to the GAA with they then give more money to the rugby and football ones
 

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