NUM3 - Legume Fallow, now rotational

[Grass And Grain]

Latest SFI update has now given option for NUM3 Legume Fallow to be rotational.

See screenshot of the guidance.

Non-rotated we have to establish within 13 months of agreement start date, so say we start agreement 1st Sept 2023, then we'd need to establish by 31st Aug '24, then leave it there for two summers.

What if we're intending to rotate it?

Have we still got 12 months to establish it? So establish by end of August 2024? Then if we rotate it, at end of summer 2024 we can plant that field with wheat, and establish the legumes in a different field (summer 2025, leaving it there until end of summer 2026)?

OR, if we choose to rotate it, are we expected to establish it end of summer 2023???

 

[Grass And Grain]

I don't understand this sentence....

"The legume fallow will usually be established from the second spring after sowing."

 

[Grass And Grain]

So if we use it rotationally, when do the following rules apply.....

 

[Sid]

I don't understand this sentence....

"The legume fallow will usually be established from the second spring after sowing."

That up to then it doesn't have to be fallow?

 

[Grass And Grain]

That up to then it doesn't have to be fallow?

I think it means we can do some of the prohibited activities up to that point. e.g. use herbicides.

Of using it rotationally though, i.e. only leaving it for a single season, then rotating it to different field.... Then there won't be a "second spring after sowing".

I think they've updated the option to say it can be rotational, but have still got the old wording for when it was supposed to stay in same field for 2 years.

 

[Sid]

I think it means we can do some of the prohibited activities up to that point. e.g. use herbicides.

Of using it rotationally though, i.e. only leaving it for a single season, then rotating it to different field.... Then there won't be a "second spring after sowing".

I think they've updated the option to say it can be rotational, but have still got the old wording for when it was supposed to stay in same field for 2 years.

Sounds like it needs a
NUM3 non-rotational and
NUM3.1 rotational prescription.

Flexibility can and does add confusion

 

[Billboy1]

whats legume fallow ?

 

[Grass And Grain]

whats legume fallow ?

CS/SFI option. Mix of clovers, Lucerne, vetch, etc. Grow it for either one or two seasons. Get paid £590/ha.

 

[Clive]

CS/SFI option. Mix of clovers, Lucerne, vetch, etc. Grow it for either one or two seasons. Get paid £590/ha.

why would anyone choose this over AHL2 at £732 though ? you can still put legumes in that if you choose

 

[Billboy1]

why would anyone choose this over AHL2 at £732 though ? you can still put legumes in that if you choose

Can ahl2 be grown as a one year break ?

 

[Grass And Grain]

why would anyone choose this over AHL2 at £732 though ? you can still put legumes in that if you choose

Depends if you want to follow with a spring or winter sown crop?

We've got some AB9 (AHL2 Winter Bird Food equivalent) on light land, which we'll follow with a spring crop.

Legume fallow on slightly heavier ground which we'll follow with W. Wheat. Single year L F. in SFI is looking like a possibility. Beans, glyphosate post drilling, then throw some clover seed on, leave until August 15th, burn off, harvest????? Needs more thought.

All up in the air what we choose to do in coming years. Anything but o.s.r. (too risky).

Vining peas possibly. Maize growers are coming to realization they've to match stewardship rates or they won't get any land.

 

[Clive]

Depends if you want to follow with a spring or winter sown crop?

We've got some AB9 (AHL2 Winter Bird Food equivalent) on light land, which we'll follow with a spring crop.

Legume fallow on slightly heavier ground which we'll follow with W. Wheat. Single year L F. in SFI is looking like a possibility. Beans, glyphosate post drilling, then throw some clover seed on, leave until August 15th, burn off, harvest????? Needs more thought.

All up in the air what we choose to do in coming years. Anything but o.s.r. (too risky).

Vining peas possibly. Maize growers are coming to realization they've to match stewardship rates or they won't get any land.

i’m intending to follow AHL2 with winter wheat - am i missing something that prevents that ? it’s my OSR replacement from next harvest onwards

 

[Clive]

Can ahl2 be grown as a one year break ?

yes it can be a fixed or rotational option

 

[Billboy1]

Humour me then , are there seed mixtures or can you make your own cheaper ? Sow it this autumn burn it top it next year follow with wheat 1/2 the farm this option 1/2 1st wheat + no insecticide

 

[Hindsight]

i’m intending to follow AHL2 with winter wheat - am i missing something that prevents that ? it’s my OSR replacement from next harvest onwards

When do you plan to sow the AHL1?

 

[Clive]

When do you plan to sow the AHL1?

late mid / July

 

[Clive]

Humour me then , are there seed mixtures or can you make your own cheaper ? Sow it this autumn burn it top it next year follow with wheat 1/2 the farm this option 1/2 1st wheat + no insecticide

have a read of the sfi book - it’s all in there, i haven’t memorised it

 

[Grass And Grain]

i’m intending to follow AHL2 with winter wheat - am i missing something that prevents that ? it’s my OSR replacement from next harvest onwards

AHL2 Winter Bird Food, should provide bird food/seeds from late autumn to late winter. The CS equivalent is AB9, which stipulates the option remains in place until mid February, so although AHL2 doesn't stipulate an actual date, presumably we'd be looking at a similar sort of date?

 

[B'o'B]

have a read of the sfi book - it’s all in there, i haven’t memorised it

While "late winter" isn't defined in the AHL2 standard, it is defined else where in the "handbook" as copied and pasted below...

These timings will usually mean:

• • September, October and November for the autumn
  • December, January and February for the winter
  • January and February for late winter

 

[Clive]

While "late winter" isn't defined in the AHL2 standard, it is defined else where in the "handbook" as copied and pasted below...

These timings will usually mean:

• • September, October and November for the autumn
  • December, January and February for the winter
  • January and February for late winter

July planted seed could do that no problem

could broadcast to standing crop even earlier if required i guess