Origin fert vs yara/ kemira(cf) fert

davieogrutha

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Orkney
Had experience of both yara and kemira (cf) fert in the past and preferred yara to end up with but with the price rise I got a price for origin fert which is tempting to go with. What's peoples thoughts on their products. Usually bulk by on 20-10-10. But this is 16's I was looking at. Thought then I might use some urea to bump up the N on the silage fields comes the time to put it on early May.
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
What’s the price difference, how wide are you spreading and over how many acres? Even if £50/t more for yara/cf itsworth it over Origin due to spreading capabilities unless straight MOP or TSP.
I know some contractors that point blank refuse to spread Origin products at 24m and after the experience I had with it I wouldn’t either.
 

Happy

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Location
Scotland
Don’t care for origin blends much.
One bag of supposed same analysis can look completely different to the next.

Only use blends on the grassland here. Crops always straight or compounds.
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
Don’t care for origin blends much.
One bag of supposed same analysis can look completely different to the next.

Only use blends on the grassland here. Crops always straight or compounds.
I’ve onky ever spread Origin straights and the N+S products were very variable, I didn’t want them but it was the only way of getting money out of a grain dealer..
 

Sharpy

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Livestock Farmer
I have spread thousands of tonnes of Origin fert with few problems. It is always a blend, yes sometimes they change the ingredients which change the characteristics of the fert but an operator with a well maintained spreader will not have a problem. Dust is sometimes evident, same as Yara sometimes. Incidentally I have had far more bother with Yara than Origin despite spreading less than 10% Yara.
 
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Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
I've spread a fair bit of origin 30N 17S and not had any bother.

We use blends when drilling as it's just going through drill and not having to spread it. Probably does separate a bit in hopper though.
 

tr250

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Location
Northants
I find origin spreads ok but is bit dustyer and the plastic bags inside tend to be a scrumpled up at the bottom and harder to cut nicely and tend to fall out with the last bit so you have to pull the plastic out the spreader and empty the last little bit
 

davieogrutha

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Orkney
What’s the price difference, how wide are you spreading and over how many acres? Even if £50/t more for yara/cf itsworth it over Origin due to spreading capabilities unless straight MOP or TSP.
I know some contractors that point blank refuse to spread Origin products at 24m and after the experience I had with it I wouldn’t either.
Be spreading about 180 acre of which 18 will be barley. (will be taking samples to check ground fertility) spread with twin disc spreader at 14 meters. Price difference between the 16's and cf 20.10.10 is about £25.... for the moment . The thinking for the 16's was for the extra p&k.
 

davieogrutha

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Orkney
Origin blend will never spread as good as cf or yara. I spread a fair bit of origin. It is generally ok but have had stripping. Can open 2 bags into the spreader and they look completely different
That's why I'm not keen on blends . It's been quite a few years since last using a blend and wasn't sure if things have changed with them.
 

Jim75

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Easter ross
Given up contract spreading now but always shuddered when trying to spread origin products. Even had problems blocking the grain drill one year with golf ball sized lumps :banghead: May as well think up a spread pattern and go for it no amount of tray testing will help.
Always got on well with yara. Only kemira product I’ve seen that is aweful is the KN sulphur.
 

Grassman

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Location
Derbyshire
Blends are ok if putting enough on. Lower rates leads to a poor coverage. 1 patch with nitrogen. 1 with phosphate. 1 with potash. 1 with double rate. Etc
I have gone back to compound.
 
Location
West Wales
Be spreading about 180 acre of which 18 will be barley. (will be taking samples to check ground fertility) spread with twin disc spreader at 14 meters. Price difference between the 16's and cf 20.10.10 is about £25.... for the moment . The thinking for the 16's was for the extra p&k.

But your comparing apples with oranges here unless you compare the same product or work out the NPK cost of each then you can’t compare the price

Blends are ok if putting enough on. Lower rates leads to a poor coverage. 1 patch with nitrogen. 1 with phosphate. 1 with potash. 1 with double rate. Etc
I have gone back to compound.

Agreed here. We spread a hell of a lot of origin blend mostly grassland so the saving is worth while
 
Been on with Yara here for a good few years now. Always dearer but it always pulls a rabbit out of the hat when things are under pressure like when it looks like growing a crop is going to be a struggle.
Yara plant tests the fert every few minutes to make sure units are what they say they are. If it’s not right it goes out. They test their competitors fert too. They showed me some 20/10/10 blend that was tested at 16/8/8 not saying who’s it was
 

Happy

Member
Location
Scotland
Been on with Yara here for a good few years now. Always dearer but it always pulls a rabbit out of the hat when things are under pressure like when it looks like growing a crop is going to be a struggle.
Yara plant tests the fert every few minutes to make sure units are what they say they are. If it’s not right it goes out. They test their competitors fert too. They showed me some 20/10/10 blend that was tested at 16/8/8 not saying who’s it was

You are correct about Yara with the if it’s not right it goes out bit................
Out the factory with a different label on it;)

Had some bags of actyva 16-15-15 one year where they had to put labels in the liners with the correct analysis of 15-14-14 in them.

Reassuring that they do this though and price was reduced accordingly. Never best pleased when I put 2 bags of origin 25-5-5 blend in the spreader and one is largely white & the other brown. Happens fairly regularly:(
 
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