Overseeding

[Sid]

Was on a Superg farm walk this week talking about over seeding grass and clover

SUPER-G – Sustainable Permanent Grassland

www.super-g.eu

It was interesting to see very little difference between the 3 plots on both farms. Control v slotseeding v rotor seeding. In terms of yields, protein or energy.

There was a rise in the energy and protein content of the 2 overseeded on the organic farm. But without drilling into the figures in depth it didn't look cost effective.

The rotor seeding on the conventional one did give a more palatable sward, but that then lead to overgrazing and weed ingress. The clover was the key to that, as the green square was easy to spot in the field.
The multispecies mixes added more yield in the drier years, the benefits of a mixed rooting depth and searching out that moisture.

I've tried to find the results on the website with no luck. They said they are going to email the slides to us all.

Always struggled with the idea of over seeding clover so jury's still out.

 

[hally]

If you see no difference then maybe it didn't need overseeding?
Are they merely doing it because of a trial?

 

[Kevtherev]

Overseeding clover is very weather dependent.

 

[Sid]

If you see no difference then maybe it didn't need overseeding?
Are they merely doing it because of a trial?

Wanted to introduce clover

 

[hally]

Wanted to introduce clover

Clover is always tricky to overseed…..just not competitive enough unless a very open sward

 

[Kevtherev]

Clover is always tricky to overseed…..just not competitive enough unless a very open sward

After a cut of silage I find best then pray it rains.

 

[Sid]

Clover is always tricky to overseed…..just not competitive enough unless a very open sward

I wish I could find the data, but it's hidden on the website somewhere.

All that public funding and the results aren't in public domain grrrr

Was some Mutlispecies leys as well

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I find that clover oveseeds better hrer than most things especially Red Clover ,
Sory to be different again and please no arguments, but nothing will overseed if conditions aren't right , don't forget to check residuals on and sprays you may have used, some will stop clover Germination

 

[Sid]

I find that clover oveseeds better hrer than most things especially Red Clover ,
Sory to be different again and please no arguments,

I am quoting actually research data across Europe.

You admit you throw around more seed than is economically accepted on a commercial farm.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I am quoting actually research data across Europe.

You admit you throw around more seed than is economically accepted on a commercial farm.

I am quoting actually research data across Europe.

You admit you throw around more seed than is economically accepted on a commercial farm.

So I can't have an option ion because the rest of Europe says its wrong. I sow here what I recommend, 3 kgs being 2 Red and 1 white
No point have a forum . Just print what Europe thinks then
What does Europe think of feeding clover to sheep?

I won't let me in

But cost effective is a broad term
If it fails its certainly not cost effective
Had plenty of those

It's only cost effective if you choose the right field and sow when conditions are right

Sticking some grass into a worn out old ley it's pretty pointless unless you want a quick boost for a short time

 

[Barmyfarmer]

Aitchison posted this on FB yesterday, looks to have been successful

 

[Sid]

So I can't have an option ion because the rest of Europe says its wrong. I sow here what I recommend, 3 kgs being 2 Red and 1 white
No point have a forum . Just print what Europe thinks then
What does Europe think of feeding clover to sheep?

Why do you have trials on your fsrm then?
Happy to take the money but not believe the results.

Your a hypocrite

 

[Sid]

Aitchison posted this on FB yesterday, looks to have been successful
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What are they selling?

 

[Barmyfarmer]

What are they selling?

Very true,but they have got results to show at least, trying some here this time after 4th cut, put some white clover in after 1st cut and that's taken brilliantly

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Would you say this was cost effective
That went into a thin stand of Italian Ryegrass with a tine harrow
I will take a picture of the one that I think is going to fail when I get home , sown a month ago I think the rapid grass growth as got me beat , the Tertraploid Ryegrass seed is most hit but I think the Red Clover that came up first may win through
My mistake was not rolling after seeding that did not help

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Why do you have trials on your fsrm then?
Happy to take the money but not believe the results.

Your a hypocrite

Yes I'm a hypocrite
What did I say at the start
I don't want this to turn into an argument and don't want constant insults either
My option ion is often different I know but I'm allowed to have an opionion
I did two fields with coated seed and none coated and could not see a scrap of difference on speed of establishment and Germination, the coment came straight back I don't sell coated seed , so there you go
I'm not saying it does not work , but it did not show any benefit on the conditions here
If you want to discuss oveseeding in a civil manner that's fine , please carry on

 

[Henarar]

Yes I'm a hypocrite

Congratulations

 

[Sid]

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Would you say this was cost effective
That went into a thin stand of Italian Ryegrass with a tine harrow
I will take a picture of the one that I think is going to fail when I get home , sown a month ago I think the rapid grass growth as got me beat , the Tertraploid Ryegrass seed is most hit but I think the Red Clover that came up first may win through
My mistake was not rolling after seeding that did not help

You've put not financial data up so absolutely no idea.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

You've put not financial data up so absolutely no idea.

As in what it cost
2 passes with a tyne harrow and the roller
Everyone will have there own costs for that
Seed was 0.35 kg Chicory and 3 Kgs mixed clover, I did add some grass but I'm not home to check what that was
A few things are most important apart from having the weather on your side
Soil to seed contact, not sowing to deep , that's why I prefer a tine harrow , you can easily go to deep with a direct drill , if you go to shallow with a disc drill your just dropping seed on turf as it does not create enough broken soil pointless then especially with clover seed , rolling hard , and if the grass grows back to quick it's all a waste of time

 

[Sid]

As in what it cost
2 passes with a tyne harrow and the roller
Everyone will have there own costs for that
Seed was 0.35 kg Chicory and 3 Kgs mixed clover, I did add some grass but I'm not home to check what that was
A few things are most important apart from having the weather on your side
Soil to seed contact, not sowing to deep , that's why I prefer a tine harrow , you can easily go to deep with a direct drill , if you go to shallow with a disc drill your just dropping seed on turf as it does not create enough broken soil pointless then especially with clover seed , rolling hard , and if the grass grows back to quick it's all a waste of time

That's what cost effective means , how much it cost in relation to how much it produces.
Until you have done that even as a back of fag packet maths then you have no idea