PepsiCo have switched to a 'more sustainable fuel'

[Gary Warren]

PepsiCo just dropped an announcement. They're actually shaking things up with their delivery trucks in England.

PepsiCo transitions to sustainable hydrotreated vegetable oil

PepsiCo Adopts Sustainable Approach: Switching to Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil for Potato Transport to Slash Emissions

www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk

 

[betternextyear]

Virtue signalling, green washers.

 

[PSQ]

That sounds very saintly.

Until you consider that their sole reason to exist is to make ultra high profit margins for their share holders, from the sale of vast volumes of high calorific junk food to an increasingly obese global population, and the untold early deaths that ultimately result from their targeted marketing aimed at children. All while maintaining an image of being ultra 'PC', inclusive and environmentally conscious; and it's quite a trick to convince people it's not 'the slowest form of manslaughter known' if you employ all the top advertising and PR agencies.

 

[BRB John]

That sounds very saintly.

Until you consider that their sole reason to exist is to make ultra high profit margins for their share holders, from the sale of vast volumes of high calorific junk food to an increasingly obese global population, and the untold early deaths that ultimately result from their targeted marketing aimed at children. All while maintaining an image of being ultra 'PC', inclusive and environmentally conscious; and it's quite a trick to convince people it's not 'the slowest form of manslaughter known' if you employ all the top advertising and PR agencies.

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You're making the assumption that humans are brainless morons that aren't capable of making decisions.
PepsiCo has never made any one fat people make themselves fat.

Personally I didn't understand why biodiesel hasn't had hardly any attention for near a decade.
If they can come up with a way that's affordable and sustainable that allows us to keep running diesel engines I say great all for.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Personally I didn't understand why biodiesel hasn't had hardly any attention for near a decade.
If they can come up with a way that's affordable and sustainable that allows us to keep running diesel engines I say great all for.

It’s only in the standard road diesel formulation at increasing rates.

 

[BRB John]

It’s only in the standard road diesel formulation at increasing rates.

Indeed but how far can we push it? Think it's 10% at the moment?
I assume this HVO is just biodiesel but infused with hydrogen or something could that work for tractors?

 

[PSQ]

You're making the assumption that humans are brainless morons that aren't capable of making decisions.
PepsiCo has never made any one fat people make themselves fat.

Pepsi and other brands don't pay their PR and ad agencies millions just to write off tax, they do it to influence 'the easily led' and to make people part with lots more of their money from their weekly food budget than they really need to.

- "You're making the assumption that humans are brainless morons that aren't capable of making decisions."

OK. Let's mention the 'cost of living' crisis, when the majority of trollies in the supermarket contain at least one multipack of crisps, which retail for the equivalent of £13,000/ tonne in Tesco (below). It's an easy decision to make when the kids are demanding something to eat, but it's not a sensible or rational decision to spend £120 on a trolley of branded, nutritionally poor, easy to prepare junk; when the raw ingredients for proper healthy meals can be bought for (circa) half the cost. Thats where the advertising for corporate branded junk food steps in, it's designed purely to make people avoid making sensible decisions, trading what's good for you or your kids against convenience and extremely poor nutritional and financial 'value'.

 

[BRB John]

Pepsi and other brands don't pay their PR and ad agencies millions just to write off tax, they do it to influence 'the easily led' and to make people part with lots more of their money from their weekly food budget than they really need to.

- "You're making the assumption that humans are brainless morons that aren't capable of making decisions."

OK. Let's mention the 'cost of living' crisis, when the majority of trollies in the supermarket contain at least one multipack of crisps, which retail for the equivalent of £13,000/ tonne in Tesco (below). It's an easy decision to make when the kids are demanding something to eat, but it's not a sensible or rational decision to spend £120 on a trolley of branded, nutritionally poor, easy to prepare junk; when the raw ingredients for proper healthy meals can be bought for (circa) half the cost. Thats where the advertising for corporate branded junk food steps in, it's designed purely to make people avoid making sensible decisions, trading what's good for you or your kids against convenience and extremely poor nutritional and financial 'value'.

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Yeah I don't know what I was thinking people are completely moronic.
But that's not PepsiCo fault.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking people are completely moronic.
But that's not PepsiCo fault.

But PepsiCo know exactly what they are doing....

 

[Rod Dumbreck]

But PepsiCo know exactly what they are doing....

agreed, and we are congratulating them for their genius in turning half a pence worth of spud into 32 pence worth of pure salty addiction, no, in our confused state we have focussed on their use of converted waste vegetable oil, which they likely have an abundant supply of, to dilute/replace diesel, ................ I think this could be rightfully called greenwash

 

[br jones]

and where is this spare used cooking oil coming from ?

 

[BRB John]

and where is this spare used cooking oil coming from ?

They make crisps..... Vegetable oil is required....to cook them...

 

[Rod Dumbreck]

They make crisps..... Vegetable oil is required....to cook them...

It would be interesting to know whether more oil was used in cooking or in transport

 

[br jones]

They make crisps..... Vegetable oil is required....to cook them...

so they are just dumping it now then ?

 

[delilah]

We ran on 100% waste cooking oil for many years, then the pubs and restaurants stopped giving it to us as they were offered a discount on their new oil if they handed the old oil back, so that it could be hauled many miles to be blended into regular diesel to tick a green box. Same happened to 100's of folk around the country. Just another example of how something that chugs along quietly on a local level gets fecked up by the corporates.

 

[BRB John]

It would be interesting to know whether more oil was used in cooking or in transport

I suspect they use alot more vegetable oil. They do make quite a few crisps.

so they are just dumping it now then ?

No probably selling for use in diesel but some smart boffin figured out how to run 100% on biodiesel so makes sense to use it themselves especially when the fuel prices hiked.
Probably saving no more carbon than before but makes for a nice little story for them.

We ran on 100% waste cooking oil for many years, then the pubs and restaurants stopped giving it to us as they were offered a discount on their new oil if they handed the old oil back, so that it could be hauled many miles to be blended into regular diesel to tick a green box. Same happened to 100's of folk around the country. Just another example of how something that chugs along quietly on a local level gets fecked up by the corporates.

How much did it cost to convert waste oil to Biodiesel? I assume you can't just pump it straight in...
And that growing a crop just for fuel is hellishly expensive?

 

[delilah]

How much did it cost to convert waste oil to Biodiesel? I assume you can't just pump it straight in...

Was 15ppl for the chemicals (methanol, caustic soda) and electricity (genny, ironically petrol). That's ignoring labour and oil collection costs. High summer you can get away with straight vegetable oil if it's filtered, but we just did the chemical reaction to remove the glycerin all year round.

 

[Exfarmer]

Was 15ppl for the chemicals (methanol, caustic soda) and electricity (genny, ironically petrol). That's ignoring labour and oil collection costs. High summer you can get away with straight vegetable oil if it's filtered, but we just did the chemical reaction to remove the glycerin all year round.

it is a good idea to remove the particulate filter as it will quickly block burning veg oil in a diesel since the exhaust gas will be smoky due to the slower burn

 

[BrianV]

PepsiCo just dropped an announcement. They're actually shaking things up with their delivery trucks in England.

PepsiCo transitions to sustainable hydrotreated vegetable oil

PepsiCo Adopts Sustainable Approach: Switching to Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil for Potato Transport to Slash Emissions

www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk

Of course you could think all this so called sustainable vegetable oil is coming from the multitude of fast food restaurants stuffing us we are told with very bad things, oh well not to worry image is all that counts these days.

 

[delilah]

it is a good idea to remove the particulate filter as it will quickly block burning veg oil in a diesel since the exhaust gas will be smoky due to the slower burn

Not an issue on the vintage of vans we were running on it . Only problem we had, the diaphragm in the lift pump was natural rubber, this perished and let air in you would have to prime it in the morning, I guess it's all synthetic rubber in fuel systems now.