Perfect Suckler cow??

[T7.wab]

Good cattle and a good set up by the look of things
What are you feeding them on ? I always like to look at new ideas for feeding

All home grown apart from nuts for smaller ones.
Silage is mostly red clover rye grass. Crimp barley and whole crop beans. Tweak ratios for ages of cattle. Just grass when there out on a regular shift

 

[mac]

There’s nothing better than a pen o Charolais stots. Unless you’ve to calve them

 

[egbert]

To be honest I don't know if there is such a thing!

I know farmers that chop and change breeds all the time, sheep and cattle. Never settle on one.

I think they are the problem and not the cattle.

haven't changed in over a century here...one herd hasn't changed in a lot longer. Just starting to get the hang of em.

 

[AGN76]

Not read the whole thread, but Welsh Black cow x Sim bull.

 

[Ysgythan]

This is like a random cross breed generator

 

[muleman]

Not read the whole thread, but Welsh Black cow x Sim bull.

Angus X jersey for me

 

[M-J-G]

Angus X jersey for me

Too big, need a Dexter x Jersey, 2nd most common cow in the Milky Way, after the Black Baldy.

 

[M-J-G]

Black Baldie
Great cows, live anywhere
Most widely used suckler cow worldwide apparently

I have heard before and it may be true, but as there are only thought to be around 5 million pure Herefords on the planet, there would have to be an awful lot of Hereford bulls used on Angus cows (50 million AA) as there wouldn't be enough Hereford cows to self replace and produce a population of baldies that could be classed the most popular cow on the globe, unless of course a lot of them are just an imbalanced mix of the two breeds as opposed to a 1st cross.

 

[tinsheet]

I have heard before and it may be true, but as there are only thought to be around 5 million pure Herefords on the planet, there would have to be an awful lot of Hereford bulls used on Angus cows (50 million AA) as there wouldn't be enough Hereford cows to self replace and produce a population of baldies that could be classed the most popular cow on the globe, unless of course a lot of them are just an imbalanced mix of the two breeds as opposed to a 1st cross.

Most widely used, not the same as most popular! Baldies perform under all conditions from hot climates to cold!
Must be true I read it on the internet!

 

[M-J-G]

Most widely used, not the same as most popular! Baldies perform under all conditions from hot climates to cold!
Must be true I read it on the internet!

To be fair quite a few breeds are on all inhabited continents like 50 million AA and 40 Simmentals.
Not knocking the Baldie, apart from the fact that they can be pretty mental, which will no doubt suit in countries where they need to fight off bears and wolves without horns.

 

[Hilly]

I have heard before and it may be true, but as there are only thought to be around 5 million pure Herefords on the planet, there would have to be an awful lot of Hereford bulls used on Angus cows (50 million AA) as there wouldn't be enough Hereford cows to self replace and produce a population of baldies that could be classed the most popular cow on the globe, unless of course a lot of them are just an imbalanced mix of the two breeds as opposed to a 1st cross.

A lot are , im going for f1 baldies .

 

[Hilly]

To be fair quite a few breeds are on all inhabited continents like 50 million AA and 40 Simmentals.
Not knocking the Baldie, apart from the fact that they can be pretty mental, which will no doubt suit in countries where they need to fight off bears and wolves without horns.

All cattle can go a bit semi feral if left to ..

 

[M-J-G]

A lot are , im going for f1 baldies .

I believe the idea is to have F1, but I'd assume that many aren't doing what you are in keeping 2 pure populations, people who are self replacing will find it easier to put a AA sired cross cow to a Hereford and vice versa.

 

[Hilly]

I believe the idea is to have F1, but I'd assume that many aren't doing what you are in keeping 2 pure populations, people who are self replacing will find it easier to put a AA sired cross cow to a Hereford and vice versa.

Yes that what many will do .. some use shorthorn instead of Hereford as well.

 

[M-J-G]

All cattle can go a bit semi feral if left to ..

Totally, some just take longer than others.

Hybrids seem to be more prone to show their wild side.
A lot of dairy farmers have found that crossing Holsteins to other breeds often leads to seeing clusters coming off more regularly, the up side is that the conversations with the driver of the fallen stock lorry are a little less regular

 

[Hilly]

Totally, some just take longer than others.

Hybrids seem to be more prone to show their wild side.
A lot of dairy farmers have found that crossing Holsteins to other breeds often leads to seeing clusters coming off more regularly, the up side is that the conversations with the driver of the fallen stock lorry are a little less regular

A Baldie with a charo bull will be a great thing

 

[M-J-G]

A Baldie with a charo bull will be a great thing

Most things that are easy fleshing with a Char will give a pretty good animal.
I know someone with Lim x AA crisscrossed cows and a Char over them, his calves are fantastic, but his cows are deadly.

 

[som farmer]

This is like a random cross breed generator

if you look at beef herds in the big grazing area's, one thing is pretty obvious, same type cows, producing big numbers of matching calves, which in turn are a feedlots dream cattle, they all finish together.

look at the store cattle pens in a UK cattle market, like liquorice all sorts.

AA or hereford x's, seem to be the most popular breed of cow, for sucklers, by our competitors abroad, as a lot are extensively grazed, presumably they are the least labour requirement. A lot of those cows are 450 to 500kg, producing calves that meet requirements of their customers.

I'm firmly of the belief, that in farming, you need to produce what your customer wants, not what you think it wants.

on AA or Hereford bulls, there is a vast difference in size from the 'traditional' to the 'modern', usually said to be 'Canadian' breeding, what size do you choose ?

 

[Baling Hay]

if you look at beef herds in the big grazing area's, one thing is pretty obvious, same type cows, producing big numbers of matching calves, which in turn are a feedlots dream cattle, they all finish together.

look at the store cattle pens in a UK cattle market, like liquorice all sorts.

AA or hereford x's, seem to be the most popular breed of cow, for sucklers, by our competitors abroad, as a lot are extensively grazed, presumably they are the least labour requirement. A lot of those cows are 450 to 500kg, producing calves that meet requirements of their customers.

I'm firmly of the belief, that in farming, you need to produce what your customer wants, not what you think it wants.

on AA or Hereford bulls, there is a vast difference in size from the 'traditional' to the 'modern', usually said to be 'Canadian' breeding, what size do you choose ?

I do find it odd how we try to compare to the type of cattle and system other countries are using. Big difference is their land doesn't cost over £10k per acre so they can afford these m ore extensive systems........

 

[som farmer]

I do find it odd how we try to compare to the type of cattle and system other countries are using. Big difference is their land doesn't cost over £10k per acre so they can afford these m ore extensive systems........

low maintenance, fertile milky cattle, producing exactly what the mkt wants, what's not to like ?

But land size is relevant, some run 1 cow to 50/100 acres.

which means we have to be ultra efficient with our lesser/expensive acres. But how do you measure efficiency ? Kg beef produced/ac ? Or how ?