Perm pasture into arable with a DD

[Headless chicken]

Need to establish some arable thinking it will be spring triticale and lupin being drilled into perm pasture. More than likely this ground wouldn’t have seen a plough in 30 years.

Would this work? Would I be better off with a plough? The guy I used before has a Vredo I think maybe? Would that be capable?

Could I also under sow the crop by mixing all the seed in the tank?

 

[rob1]

Need to establish some arable thinking it will be spring triticale and lupin being drilled into perm pasture. More than likely this ground wouldn’t have seen a plough in 30 years.

Would this work? Would I be better off with a plough? The guy I used before has a Vredo I think maybe? Would that be capable?

Could I also under sow the crop by mixing all the seed in the tank?

the only issue could be wireworm & leatherjackets but that applies to any establisment system. I have DD into PP far better than ploughing the turf in IMVHO, BUT get it sprayed off asap and leave it to decay before drilling

 

[hendrebc]

the only issue could be wireworm & leatherjackets but that applies to any establisment system. I have DD into PP far better than ploughing the turf in IMVHO, BUT get it sprayed off asap and leave it to decay before drilling

Why does the sprayed off grass need to decay before drilling?
Might be an amateur question but im looking to get into dd this year and some will be into pp

 

[ploughman1963]

decaying matter will create an acidic environment (sometimes called a 'toxic soup') that will adversely affect germination. Certainly with grass we have seen that you can counteract this by putting prilled lime down the spouts alongside the seed - I guess that is true for other crops as well

 

[rob1]

Why does the sprayed off grass need to decay before drilling?
Might be an amateur question but im looking to get into dd this year and some will be into pp

There is likely to be a thick mat of old grass etc which as been said can be toxic to new seeds, not so bad in warm dry weather but not good in wet weather, less of a problem if sheep have grazed it hard

 

[hendrebc]

Makes sense i suppose hadnt really thought about it will be something for me to think about. No shortage of sheep here so hopefully wont be as much of a problem. Thanks

 

[scholland]

Kale, swedes or forage rape would be a good way to get pp into dd, grazing of the forage crop will break down the old turf and be easier drilled with a cereal the following year.
Dd under sown cereal would need 2 passes, different seeding depth for the grass.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Beans would do well, they thrive in conditions where other crops are suffering from N lock up.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I've "reclaimed" permanent pasture to arable by using beans as a pioneer crop. Then going to cereals. But you probably won't want to use beans on farm.

Are you going to wholecrop it or combine it? It may very well end up very grassy.

Its the type of thing I'd try on the cheap first personally using farm saved barley and oats and buy some peas/lupins. Otherwise you will be paying big money for the seed and it could be disastrous. Do you need cereals for any other use? Personally I wouldn't undersow it at the same time I'd keep it back and get a few more years cropping out of it and it will clean up weed grasses.

If you want to do ultra cheap nothing ventured nothing gained experiment then drop the n fixers and just use feed barley and go out with roundup asap and then go again pre drilling and don't drill until 15-20th April. Even then its probably cheaper for a dairy boy to just plough it, put it back to grass and buy in the barley.

 

[Yale]

Makes sense i suppose hadnt really thought about it will be something for me to think about. No shortage of sheep here so hopefully wont be as much of a problem. Thanks

Guy next to us dd reseeded a field next to us.

It came really poorly so he got his agronomist to have a look.

His conclusion was alongside the ph being a bit off mark there seemed to be a leatherjacket problem.

This is the advantage of introducing a brassica crop to starve the leather jackets.

The other way he advised was to roundup then leave maybe 6 weeks so the leather jackets starve and then if need be a lick of roundup again and then dd in the new seed.

I’ve never seen sown seeds so badly affected and it is a lesson to not underestimate leather jackets.

I know it’s a gardening site however an interesting read,especially about the nematode parasites.

https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=651

 

[Adeptandy]

I’m having a go at it this year, at the moment just W Wheat DD into pasture drilled November

This was Boxing Day, not moved much since then and 1 bits gone backwards a bit, somethings been grazing it back to ground level [emoji849] at least the tillering plants still there [emoji4]

 

[green giant]

Sumo DTS into permanent pasture.

 

[foxbox]

We've put 30 acres of PP in to wheat this year (in response to being under-stocked after a Tb outbreak on the farm) and it's looking really well at the moment. It was drilled with a Weaving GD after two doses of glyphosate to stop most of the old turf, seed dressed with Signal (I think) to counter potential wireworm pressure. It went in reasonably late and will get limed in the next few weeks.

 

[cosmagedon]

I would like to do some into perm pasture too, when drilling with a wide band coulter how does the seed get on being placed either side and squashed under the flap/matt of grass?

Current Mzuri wide band coulters rip too much unless going fairly deep, I'm hoping to try the new low disturbance coulters this spring.

 

[green giant]

I would like to do some into perm pasture too, when drilling with a wide band coulter how does the seed get on being placed either side and squashed under the flap/matt of grass?

Current Mzuri wide band coulters rip too much unless going fairly deep, I'm hoping to try the new low disturbance coulters this spring.

Works a treat,

 

[Matt77]

This was done with a Mzuri, into old grass which had been grazed by sheep then sprayed off, drilled late September and this photo was early November, I’ve not seen it yet this year as it was a contract job.

 

[cosmagedon]

This was done with a Mzuri, into old grass which had been grazed by sheep then sprayed off, drilled late September and this photo was early November, I’ve not seen it yet this year as it was a contract job.

Do you roll after drilling? If you get a chance could you keep the thread updated with pictures.

 

[Matt77]

Do you roll after drilling? If you get a chance could you keep the thread updated with pictures.

Yes it was flat rolled as that's all the chap had to roll it with. Yes I can update, I've not seen it as it's right out the way through sheep fields. I'll next see it when put some fert on I expect.

 

[Matt77]

Do you roll after drilling? If you get a chance could you keep the thread updated with pictures.

Putting some N+S on that same field today, this has had sheep on it for a bit so it’s been well grazed.

 

[Matt77]

Taken on the 7th of May, putting T1 on same field, looks ok.