Piemontese cattle

[liammogs]

Dont see many of these about, why? There very similar to a blonde i suppose? Dad went to see a bull last night just wondering if anyone used/uses one?

 

[Old Tip]

Used to be a fair few round here, a lot weee used on dairy cows as they were easier calving allegedly and a few used on suckers. Think folk got cracking calves but they were hard to get finish on and so most have gone back to the Limmy or Blue

 

[MJT]

Onto third Piemont bull here, very pleased with them, seriously easy calving and nice shapely calves , no idea why haven't caught on either, what cows would you think of using them on ?

 

[Lovegoodstock]

Tried them about 14 years ago. Yes small calves born, used on proper british friesan heifers and blue heifers out of british friesan heifers. Biggest problem we had out of blue heifers were a lot of calves were very double muscled, which is our aim, but tongue being a muscle also was double the size, had to suckle calves for weeks until too strong to do so, then they would suckle a teat a day at 6 months, classy things, but maybe our bull but always behind on size and weight, @liammogs said like blondes, I use almost entirely blonde bulls but have selected and learned over last 20 years, many many blondes too lean, many have more growth than average lim and equal finishing capability, but I know the breed, and guess the same can be said of piem

 

[S J H]

I bought a heifer once

 

[Overrun]

How good would they be on Angus and Simmental cross cows? Maybe take some of the fat out of them, maybe better with a blonde?

 

[MJT]

@liammogs PM me about them if you like. Calves out of our AAx and lim x cows come out like jerseys but muscle up within a few weeks, sell very well as stores and buyers always seem to love them . We keep some Angus x Piedmontese cows too and they are cracking little cows, never the biggest cows in herd but rear fantastic calves usually in top prices of our stores when sold.

 

[M-J-G]

There are quite a few continental breeds that were imported and didn't catch on or go on to have any significant population.

Aubrac, Bazadais, Chianina, Parthenaise, Piedmontese, Romagnola are just the few that I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[M-J-G]

How good would they be on Angus and Simmental cross cows? Maybe take some of the fat out of them, maybe better with a blonde?

I know a guy who used to AI Simm heifers with Piedmontese and he was very pleased with the calves which he kept through to finish.
He later went to Blonde due to a poor selection of Piedmontese AI sires at the time.

 

[glensman]

I know a guy who used to AI Simm heifers with Piedmontese and he was very pleased with the calves which he kept through to finish.
He later went to Blonde due to a poor selection of Piedmontese AI sires at the time.

we used to have a piedmontese cow, beautiful tidy beast, her best cross by far was simmental.

 

[liammogs]

Well the old man has bought a young bull 13 months, his mother and a calf at foot so should be interesting! Hes a smart bull i havent seen him yet he will be used on dairy x blue heifers next spring! I do like the look of them tbh there a bit different etc time will tell!! Friend of ours bought a bull to use on show type cows (theyd be freaks) and hes had 50/50 sucess so far but cows are in too good condition

 

[hillman]

Friend has them across Lim and AA/Simm cows great cows , finished under 16 kill like lead but fat cover an issue , won't be replaced for that system
Sold well as weanlings do

 

[Overrun]

Would the Piedmontese breed more consistently than a blonde? Always told the blonde was a mix of three breeds , so maybe not always as uniformed, is this right?

Would consider both breeds. Hopefully calving would be easier than the Charolais , maybe more profitable with more live calves?

 

[liammogs]

Would the Piedmontese breed more consistently than a blonde? Always told the blonde was a mix of three breeds , so maybe not always as uniformed, is this right?

Would consider both breeds. Hopefully calving would be easier than the Charolais , maybe more profitable with more live calves?

Blondes are a breed of there own, like any breed there are different types! Remeber dad using blondes years ago, one threw calves like belgians, another threw calves like bambi, but to look at the bulls there wasnt much in them!! Find blondes either all or nothing, and anyone else find x blondes are worse than lims?

Same as any breed of animal find the line that suits you and try to stick with it!

 

[Overrun]

They are a breed on their own but I was led to believe there were 3 breeds from a similar area that were merged maybe not too dissimilar.

Would a Piedmontese breed a more consistent type than your 2 blonde Bulls? All to do with the back breeding?

But more importantly for for me which would stamp shape consistently on my Angus and simmental cross cows?

 

[tinsheet]

Tell the above @Henarar

 

[Old Tip]

@choochter has Baz which I feel are very similar to Pie and Par cattle in they produce a consistent shapey carcasse but can be a bit lean so are ideal to cross with an Angus, Hereford or Shorthorn. This plus the ease of calving would be a good reason to try one especially if you take your calves through to slaughter or have a good store market where the breeds are known.

 

[choochter]

dont think Baz are too lean, will get some pics in a while to demonstrate @Old Tip
got some going away fat soon

 

[choochter]

@choochter has Baz which I feel are very similar to Pie and Par cattle in they produce a consistent shapey carcasse but can be a bit lean so are ideal to cross with an Angus, Hereford or Shorthorn. This plus the ease of calving would be a good reason to try one especially if you take your calves through to slaughter or have a good store market where the breeds are known.

tried to get a photo of his muscling - this one is 635kg

 

[Overrun]

Are the Baz as extreme muscled as a piedmontese?