Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[George from SJM Planning]

Yes, it has existing first floor.

In which case if you can prove a safe evacuation route and the floor level is above the minimum level for sleeping accomodation then you have a chance. You will need a very good flood risk consultant on board who knows how to deal with these types of applications.

 

[Blue.]

Would wear and tear on a private road be taken into account on a private road by the planners?

I’ve had 9 objection letters to roofing a livestock gathering area,every objection is about wear and tear,all from a group of houses 400+ metres away that cannot see the site only pass it on the way to there houses.

None of the 6 properties that can see the site have objected,the ones far away also seem to have a gripe about not being consulted.

Well I got my email this morning to say it’s passed.

I ended up with 11 letters of objection from a group of houses 600m down the lane,because of this it had to go before the committee,3 letters of objection came after the consultation date

I did have an excellent planning officer who recommended it for approval and pointed out the letters of objection weren’t for valid reasons,the only downside is a clause saying this

None of my other buildings have this written in.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Well I got my email this morning to say it’s passed.

I ended up with 11 letters of objection from a group of houses 600m down the lane,because of this it had to go before the committee,3 letters of objection came after the consultation date

I did have an excellent planning officer who recommended it for approval and pointed out the letters of objection weren’t for valid reasons,the only downside is a clause saying this
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None of my other buildings have this written in.

That is a bit harsh - in my experience these clauses normally have an expiration date - for example "removal if not required for agriculture within 10 years".

 

[Kidds]

That is a bit harsh - in my experience these clauses normally have an expiration date - for example "removal if not required for agriculture within 10 years".

Have they exceeded their authority by not restricting it to 10 years?

Congratulations @eulb

 

[teslacoils]

Decent planning consultant will get it shifted later on. Because "existing holding" will change, as will the needs. Bit like an ag tag - they seem to be much simpler to shift now than 10 years ago.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Have they exceeded their authority by not restricting it to 10 years?

Congratulations @eulb

No not at all, it is down to their discretion. It can be removed in due course if circumstances change. We were able to do this for a forum member and then we secured Class Q a few months later.

 

[Kernowkid]

Farm shop using an existing farm shed selling your own produce and some takeaway food and drink, do you need planning?

 

[puppet]

Definitely. Change of use, rates, traffic, public liability.
Box the orders and deliver them?

 

[Manney]

Farm shop using an existing farm shed selling your own produce and some takeaway food and drink, do you need planning?

Could it be done under class R?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Could it be done under class R?

Yes, all but the takeaway element. The shop and food service both fall under Use Class E but takeaway is a different Use Class not included in the Permitted Development.

 

[Pasty]

That is a bit harsh - in my experience these clauses normally have an expiration date - for example "removal if not required for agriculture within 10 years".

South Hams do this all the time. I don't think it will have any legs 20 years down the road....

 

[Montexy]

Happy to give you a quote if you like

That would be good if you can

 

[George from SJM Planning]

That would be good if you can

Please drop me an email with some details and I'll take a look - [email protected]

 

[sant2468]

i'm going to be looking at class q on a concrete cowshed. I'm concerned about access along a single private track from the public highway which is shared with 3 other residents. One of which does not have a vehicle. Can anybody advise what the highway checks are looking for to block the application. The track is 250m approximately and has 2 passing point

 

[George from SJM Planning]

i'm going to be looking at class q on a concrete cowshed. I'm concerned about access along a single private track from the public highway which is shared with 3 other residents. One of which does not have a vehicle. Can anybody advise what the highway checks are looking for to block the application. The track is 250m approximately and has 2 passing point

Class Q can only be refused on highway safety, not on access widths, ownership etc - so providing the private track junction with the public highway is acceptable then anything else isn't a consideration.

 

[sant2468]

Class Q can only be refused on highway safety, not on access widths, ownership etc - so providing the private track junction with the public highway is acceptable then anything else isn't a consideration.

Could you please give example of unsafe ?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Could you please give example of unsafe ?

Unsafe generally means unacceptable visibility or an increase of traffic that may result in more accidents.
So if it is a known accident hotspot then by adding an extra (nominal) 8 trips a day will you be adding to the accident rate?
For visibility, can you see the appropriate distance in each direction from 2m back from the highways edge. From memory on a 30mph road the minimum distance is 43m and 60mph is 265m

 

[Highland Mule]

For visibility, can you see the appropriate distance in each direction from 2m back from the highways edge. From memory on a 30mph road the minimum distance is 43m and 60mph is 265m

Quick question George - my driveway has much less than this, but the road is at least 250 years younger than the house. Can I use any legislation to force the authorities to improve visibility?

 

[sant2468]

Unsafe generally means unacceptable visibility or an increase of traffic that may result in more accidents.
So if it is a known accident hotspot then by adding an extra (nominal) 8 trips a day will you be adding to the accident rate?
For visibility, can you see the appropriate distance in each direction from 2m back from the highways edge. From memory on a 30mph road the minimum distance is 43m and 60mph is 265m

Thank you for the comments. Since it's a private track, there won't be many accidents there. Despite being on a bend, the adjacent 30mph road does not have a high accident rate near it and is generally not used frequently. We can see clearly from the driver's seat of our SUV (which I measured is around 2.5m from drivers seat to the end of the bonnet) and can see clear ovefr 43+ meters up and down the hill . The only other potential problem is that the track lacks many official designated passing points, but has a couple of areas where cars can pull into other entrances and parking places ?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Thank you for the comments. Since it's a private track, there won't be many accidents there. Despite being on a bend, the adjacent 30mph road does not have a high accident rate near it and is generally not used frequently. We can see clearly from the driver's seat of our SUV (which I measured is around 2.5m from drivers seat to the end of the bonnet) and can see clear ovefr 43+ meters up and down the hill . The only other potential problem is that the track lacks many official designated passing points, but has a couple of areas where cars can pull into other entrances and parking places ?

If it is a private track then that shouldn't have any planning consequences