Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[sant2468]

I'll have a proper read of your questions and give you a full reply but what size is the two storey building?

Ground floor equates to approximately 120 m²

 

[Kidds]

The 2018 amendment to Class Q makes a distinction between larger and smaller dwellinghouses. Previously, there was a limit of 450 square metres per agricultural unit. In the case where buildings are converted to a larger dwellinghouse or dwellinghouses (those above 100 square metres), the number of separate larger dwellinghouses cannot exceed 3 and the culminative floorspace cannot exceed 465 square metres. In the case of smaller dwellinghouses (those less than 100 square metres), the number of separate dwellinghouses cannot exceeds 5. Effectively, there is culminative limit of 500 square metres for smaller dwellinghouses. Where you have a combination of larger and smaller dwellinghouses, the total number cannot exceed 5 and the floorspace of a larger dwellinghouse cannot exceed 465 square metres. This means, in theory, that you could have one larger dwellinghouse of 465 square metres and four smaller dwelling houses of 100 square metres, i.e. a total floorspace of 865 square metres.

 

[Kidds]

I believe floorspace is the combined area of all floors and not the footprint.

 

[sant2468]

I believe floorspace is the combined area of all floors and not the footprint.

Thanks Chaps

 

[Andy26]

I believe floorspace is the combined area of all floors and not the footprint.

You don't need planning permission to add internal floor space, so just apply to for Class Q change of use of the ground footprint of the building, it's your business if it has one or two floors (or more).

Remove the floor if its a problem before submitting class Q, you can add it after permission has been granted.

In @sant2468 situation well under the limit so doesn't really matter unless their are other buildings on the holding they may wish to use Class Q on in the future.

 

[sant2468]

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Horticulture comes under agriculture anyway as a use class so Class Q is fine.

That is correct ... Horticulture is agriculture as defined in Section 336 of the Town & Country Planning Act 1990, meaning that the building constitutes an agricultural building under Class Q of Permitted Development

 

[sant2468]

You don't need planning permission to add internal floor space, so just apply to for Class Q change of use of the ground footprint of the building, it's your business if it has one or two floors (or more).

Remove the floor if its a problem before submitting class Q, you can add it after permission has been granted.

In @sant2468 situation well under the limit so doesn't really matter unless their are other buildings on the holding they may wish to use Class Q on in the future.

I do want to apply for Class Q for a Dutch barn (ground footprint 96 square meters). That was a component of my second question: Could I submit an application for Class Q for my Dutch barn a couple years down the road as well?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I do want to apply for Class Q for a Dutch barn (ground footprint 96 square meters). That was a component of my second question: Could I submit an application for Class Q for my Dutch barn a couple years down the road as well?

Yes you could. What you should be mindful is how much total floor area you are looking to convert and into how many units. The maximum possible is 5 units totalling 865sqm (1x 465 and 4 x 100).
The other thing to consider is whether you would be shooting yourself in the foot by converting the buildings as it would be unlikely you would get approval for any new buildings in the next 10 years.

 

[sant2468]

Yes you could. What you should be mindful is how much total floor area you are looking to convert and into how many units. The maximum possible is 5 units totalling 865sqm (1x 465 and 4 x 100).
The other thing to consider is whether you would be shooting yourself in the foot by converting the buildings as it would be unlikely you would get approval for any new buildings in the next 10 years.

If the Class Q failed, would we still have issues with utlizing the land for argicultural purposes ? ie putting up a new building ...

 

[George from SJM Planning]

If the Class Q failed, would we still have issues with utlizing the land for argicultural purposes ? ie putting up a new building ...

No not at all. Even if Class Q was approved it will only trigger a restriction on new buildings if it is implemented.
Also, it has no effect on the use of the land at all Class Q is just for the building not the whole holding.

 

[sant2468]

No not at all. Even if Class Q was approved it will only trigger a restriction on new buildings if it is implemented.
Also, it has no effect on the use of the land at all Class Q is just for the building not the whole holding.

Cheers George

 

[Teejay]

Planning officer has just emailed me to say they are going to turn down my application for a dwelling on the farm. The bit I can't understand is that he wants me to withdraw my application before he makes it official, why?

 

[Still Farming]

Planning officer has just emailed me to say they are going to turn down my application for a dwelling on the farm. The bit I can't understand is that he wants me to withdraw my application before he makes it official, why?

Nothing goes on its planning history then possibly?

 

[tullah]

Planning officer has just emailed me to say they are going to turn down my application for a dwelling on the farm. The bit I can't understand is that he wants me to withdraw my application before he makes it official, why?

I thought if you withdraw it because of a forthcoming certain refusal by council then it gives you the chance to reapply. So he’s doing you a favour with this advice

 

[George from SJM Planning]

It is your choice. If you withdraw then it saves them writing it up and doesn't put a black mark against the property. Or, take the refusal and then you will have it in black and white what the issues are and when you reapply you should only have to address those issues.

 

[Teejay]

As its my second attempt if they refuse it will have to go to appeal. I have already addressed the issues but the planning officer won't accept that their agricultural consultant is wrong.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

As its my second attempt if they refuse it will have to go to appeal. I have already addressed the issues but the planning officer won't accept that their agricultural consultant is wrong.

In that case take the refusal and take your case to the inspectorate. If it is the case of the council expert being wrong then you need to provide sufficient evidence to prove it.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

As its my second attempt if they refuse it will have to go to appeal. I have already addressed the issues but the planning officer won't accept that their agricultural consultant is wrong.

No point withdrawing then.

Do they know you'll appeal?

 

[Teejay]

Going to email them this morning when I have decided what I am going to do. Will probably be looking for a planning consultant for the appeal.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Going to email them this morning when I have decided what I am going to do. Will probably be looking for a planning consultant for the appeal.

Would be interested in taking a look for you, please drop me an email [email protected].