Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[David.]

Ours has till mid April '18 for 3 years to be up.
Not a lot of actual building work in it, dry line, re-roof with new rafters, etc. Big part of job is clearing round actual stone building etc, breaking out very secure storage lockups I have built last 10 years, but which do not fit with conversion, etc, which we are nearly finished doing.
I am just conscious that time marches on, and was wondering what if...
There is one in same Authority I have heard of, that is a major job, and I wonder if it will even get started.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hi , we have a Dutch Barn about 60ft x 20ft which my brother is trying to get PD on for residential. The problem is there are no walls, side sheets come down about 6ft on half of it and there is just a hardcore base with no concrete. I think they are going to say it is not structually sound enough and give every reason not to give us permission. I should add they have been to look at it once, we have considered concreting and building walls even raising it to the ground, rebuilding and leaving it a couple of years? It sits with in a 55 acre block but has a neighbour about 30 yards away who is against it but as I mentioned to him he converted his brick barns and we didn't make a fuss! We need advice as not sure what to do. Thanks in advance for advice and an interesting thread.

As it stands I doubt they would allow it.
When they visited before did they take photos/evidence of its condition. If you were to 'modify' it to a more acceptable condition the council would have to prove it isn't the original structure.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Ours has till mid April '18 for 3 years to be up.
Not a lot of actual building work in it, dry line, re-roof with new rafters, etc. Big part of job is clearing round actual stone building etc, breaking out very secure storage lockups I have built last 10 years, but which do not fit with conversion, etc, which we are nearly finished doing.
I am just conscious that time marches on, and was wondering what if...
There is one in same Authority I have heard of, that is a major job, and I wonder if it will even get started.

I would make every effort to be done within the 3 years. It would be a shame to get so far for it to be put on stop.
Maybe speak to your LPA and find out how far they would expect you to get within the three years.
Talk to them like human beings and in general they will treat you the same.

 

[Kidds]

I am aware that "normal" planning conditions give a 3 year time frame to begin works; but that it also means more than just putting some footings in.
My friend was adamant that PD conversions (ag to residential) must be completed in 3 years, along the lines of what Forever Fendt has posted.
I was hoping for some clarification as to whether this is correct in law; and if it is, for an indication of what would happen if the place was not quite actually completed at the end of 3 years.

Having looked into it (via a Google search rather than expert advice) it appears your friend may be correct.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/596/pdfs/uksi_20150596_en.pdf.
Page 42, paragraph (3) says "Development under Class Q is permitted subject to the condition that development under Class Q(a), and under Class Q(b), if any, must be completed within a period of 3 years starting with the prior approval date."

 

[Forever Fendt]

Hi , we have a Dutch Barn about 60ft x 20ft which my brother is trying to get PD on for residential. The problem is there are no walls, side sheets come down about 6ft on half of it and there is just a hardcore base with no concrete. I think they are going to say it is not structually sound enough and give every reason not to give us permission. I should add they have been to look at it once, we have considered concreting and building walls even raising it to the ground, rebuilding and leaving it a couple of years? It sits with in a 55 acre block but has a neighbour about 30 yards away who is against it but as I mentioned to him he converted his brick barns and we didn't make a fuss! We need advice as not sure what to do. Thanks in advance for advice and an interesting thread.

The recent ruling in the high court is for a barn just like yours it was upheld that the conversion was not allowed as the building was not capable of functioning as a dwelling and needs to much work that went beyond the scope of part Q i would say if they have seen it you have had it.Technically there is nothing stoping you providing footings and a concrete floor slab to the building or doing any structural work prior to a application as this is not deemed development as long as you do not change the external appearance of the existing building also you could do work inside as well as a change of use is not required if a change does not take place and the application is for the change of use if that makes sense but the planners would not like this approach

 

[Forever Fendt]

As it stands I doubt they would allow it.
When they visited before did they take photos/evidence of its condition. If you were to 'modify' it to a more acceptable condition the council would have to prove it isn't the original structure.

there are a lot of improvements you can do without falling foul of partQ if were to do this i would involve a structural engineer from the start to prove any works done as this will then let you through the the building regs hoops

 

[Still Farming]

BBC news now Chairman of Redrow -quoted "Planning System not fit for purpose "? Even though their houses prices are up and company profits too?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

BBC news now Chairman of Redrow -quoted "Planning System not fit for purpose "? Even though their houses prices are up and company profits too?

If it was fit for purpose many of their schemes wouldn't go ahead.

 

[bobk]

Nearly finished a PD dwelling , and was wondering who registers the building with the land registery , although it's already on the system as a farm building

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Nearly finished a PD dwelling , and was wondering who registers the building with the land registery , although it's already on the system as a farm building

Not really my wheelhouse but I would assume it is you/your solicitors. It isn't a planning department thing.

 

[Forever Fendt]

Nearly finished a PD dwelling , and was wondering who registers the building with the land registery , although it's already on the system as a farm building

do you need to do this for any reason, built a house 10 years ago on farm land its let out have done nothing so far i don't see a need but could be wrong i suppose you need to think about the apr

 

[bobk]

do you need to do this for any reason, built a house 10 years ago on farm land its let out have done nothing so far i don't see a need but could be wrong i suppose you need to think about the apr

I don't know.

 

[Forever Fendt]

I don't know.

I suppose it depends on when you are planning on snuffing it,so i will leave my one for a bit yet

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Nearly finished a PD dwelling , and was wondering who registers the building with the land registery , although it's already on the system as a farm building

Do you not need the council to agree a name/address for the new house? If so do they not register the change?

 

[bobk]

Do you not need the council to agree a name/address for the new house? If so do they not register the change?

Yes they have done that , all for the sum of £195 still haven't had council tax round .

 

[Greenbeast]

Do you not need the council to agree a name/address for the new house? If so do they not register the change?

Our land was calved off of a bigger farm, registered by the solicitor with land registry and subsequently we named it and had that agreed with the SNN at the council, separate process

 

[Still Farming]

Yes they have done that , all for the sum of £195 still haven't had council tax round .

If you don't get a building compleation cert .don't think Council tax charged ???

 

[Greenbeast]

If you don't get a building compleation cert .don't think Council tax charged ???

we pay council tax and we live in a caravan!

 

[Still Farming]

we pay council tax and we live in a caravan!

What band is that ??

 

[Greenbeast]

not sur

What band is that ??

e off top of my head, we think we're paying too much (my parents in similar situation but different county paid about £30 a month, we're paying something more akin to a standard rate.
But saying that, we're not paying any business rates.... not sure whether we should rock the boat