Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[George from SJM Planning]

Thanks to you both @Kidds and @George from SJM Planning, it’s playing on my mind and I really appreciate your views!
Yes withdrawal sounds sense while I take stock but repairs and Q sounds logical. I may well take you up on that Georgie, thanks.

If you are making repairs and alterations with Class Q in mind, please ensure that these alterations are "reasonably necessary for the purposes of agriculture" as if a class q
application goes in and the case officer sees recent work that has been undertaken which wouldn't normally be undertaken on an agricultural barn then they may refuse the Class Q

 

[onthehoof]

Not sure where to post this but grateful for advice, we have a shared access to a field, neighbouring farmer uses it to access his field, the actual land for the access is owned by a third party (the former owner of both fields) we have right of way over it and right to maintain it, question is can I put hardcore down to make the access better even though I don't own the land, currently it is only soil so access is tricky when wet

 

[Kidds]

I'd see what the owner says first

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Not sure where to post this but grateful for advice, we have a shared access to a field, neighbouring farmer uses it to access his field, the actual land for the access is owned by a third party (the former owner of both fields) we have right of way over it and right to maintain it, question is can I put hardcore down to make the access better even though I don't own the land, currently it is only soil so access is tricky when wet

If it's not your land then I don't believe it is covered under Permitted Development unless you have a legal rental agreement. If the landowner does not have in excess of 5Ha then they don't qualify for Permitted Development rights, in which case Planning Permission will be required.

 

[onthehoof]

If it's not your land then I don't believe it is covered under Permitted Development unless you have a legal rental agreement. If the landowner does not have in excess of 5Ha then they don't qualify for Permitted Development rights, in which case Planning Permission will be required.

But when we bought the land there was a specific clause saying that we must share the costs of the maintenance of the access with the person who bought the other field, so making it accessible at all times would be classed as maintenance?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

But when we bought the land there was a specific clause saying that we must share the costs of the maintenance of the access with the person who bought the other field, so making it accessible at all times would be classed as maintenance?

It depends what the track is made of now. If you are just adding material to an existing hardstanding then that would be class of maintenance but if you are replacing a permeable material such as grass with an impermeable material or undertaking an engineering operation then it might require planning permission.
Technically any engineering operation either needs to be covered by permitted development or a full planning permission. Depending on your local authority depends on the definition and flexibility that they allow

 

[onthehoof]

It depends what the track is made of now. If you are just adding material to an existing hardstanding then that would be class of maintenance but if you are replacing a permeable material such as grass with an impermeable material or undertaking an engineering operation then it might require planning permission.
Technically any engineering operation either needs to be covered by permitted development or a full planning permission. Depending on your local authority depends on the definition and flexibility that they allow

I'll make sure I only use a shovel then it can only be classed as a manual operation not engineering

 

[Rossymons]

We have a static caravan parked in the corner of our field and has been there for some time. It has now been noted on an Ordinance Survey map - the same as if it were a building or a house. It was only being used to store pheasant feed/stuff and never lived in.

I'm not sure where this leaves us with regards to either removing it or any potential planning advantage? I removed it last winter and am wondering whether I should look to replace it? Possibly a better quality one that is livable?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

We have a static caravan parked in the corner of our field and has been there for some time. It has now been noted on an Ordinance Survey map - the same as if it were a building or a house. It was only being used to store pheasant feed/stuff and never lived in.

I'm not sure where this leaves us with regards to either removing it or any potential planning advantage? I removed it last winter and am wondering whether I should look to replace it? Possibly a better quality one that is livable?

The siting of the mobile home historically won't support a future application for a residential unit unless you can provide proof it has been inhabited for 10 years.

 

[Rossymons]

The siting of the mobile home historically won't support a future application for a residential unit unless you can provide proof it has been inhabited for 10 years.

So best not to get my hopes up then!

Thank you

 

[Kidds]

The fact you removed it last winter effectively means it was never there.

 

[Cider drinker]

If you are making repairs and alterations with Class Q in mind, please ensure that these alterations are "reasonably necessary for the purposes of agriculture" as if a class q
application goes in and the case officer sees recent work that has been undertaken which wouldn't normally be undertaken on an agricultural barn then they may refuse the Class Q

We have a steel barn bolted to a concrete barn stanchion. Would it affect possible class q conversion if we put new steel stanchions in?

 

[Kidds]

The fact you removed it last winter effectively means it was never there.

This is true but you could take a chance and replace it asap. Doesn't mean you will get anything passed planning wise but you will be better placed. Even if just as a holiday let. Worth a try anyway.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

We have a steel barn bolted to a concrete barn stanchion. Would it affect possible class q conversion if we put new steel stanchions in?

If you can justify the need of the new steel for agriculture then yes, if it is purely to facilitate the class Q then no.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

This is true but you could take a chance and replace it asap. Doesn't mean you will get anything passed planning wise but you will be better placed. Even if just as a holiday let. Worth a try anyway.

Is there evidence it has been removed? Most local authorities rely on Google maps and Google earth aerial photos

 

[ploughman1963]

I submitted a prior notice planning application for an agricltural building yesterday and got stung for an extra £25 on top of the £96 application fee. I didnt want to hold things up so pressed ahead and paid it. Is this surcharge now the norm?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I submitted a prior notice planning application for an agricltural building yesterday and got stung for an extra £25 on top of the £96 application fee. I didnt want to hold things up so pressed ahead and paid it. Is this surcharge now the norm?

Yes, any application over £70 has this 'admin fee'.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Yes, any application over £70 has this 'admin fee'.

Wouldn’t it just be simpler to raise the fee by £25

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Wouldn’t it just be simpler to raise the fee by £25

Of course it would but this is the government we are talking about!!!

The reason why it is split according to official sources is that the £25 goes to the upkeep and development of the planning portal which is the website that you submit your payment potions through and the rest goes to national and local government.

 

[ploughman1963]

Wouldn’t it just be simpler to raise the fee by £25

That would be too simple!