Planning

[Olivia Eveleigh]

Never used a forum before, but hope someone can offer some insight to a query - that I cant answer by googling! -
A nearby piece of agricultural land of about 35 acres has been sold. The buyer has quickly divided it into about 10 plots to be sold as 'tree planting' land. A significant 'metalled' access road with parking places has been constructed over the last few weeks so that each plot is served with access and parking. The land is therefore changing use, and moving from single ownership to multiple ownership of a number of plots. Should the new owner have planning permission for the road? Or for the change of use of the land. No planning applications relating to the land have been lodged and this would appear to be a commercial land development. Grateful for any insight.

 

[Kidds]

Should the new owner have planning permission for the road?

Yes

 

[teslacoils]

Ok, just to check on the definition of metalled here for the road. In common use a metalled road is your actual road, made in layers of stones with tarmac on top. Do you mean that, or do you mean a metal road ie a road made of metal like a temporary trackway?

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

Ok, just to check on the definition of metalled here for the road. In common use a metalled road is your actual road, made in layers of stones with tarmac on top. Do you mean that, or do you mean a metal road ie a road made of metal like a temporary trackway?

Thanks for your response. It is actually, so far, a road made of shillet and earth dug from the site sitting about 18'' high and well packed. I called it 'metalled' because that's how they describe it on their sale particulars. I don't know whether they are still building it and intend to put tarmac on top.

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

Ok, just to check on the definition of metalled here for the road. In common use a metalled road is your actual road, made in layers of stones with tarmac on top. Do you mean that, or do you mean a metal road ie a road made of metal like a temporary trackway?

just checked - it says metalled track on the details - and googling the term explains that metalled means quarried stone..

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

Yes

Yes

is that because of change of use - or is it always necessary to apply for pp to put a road across your field?

 

[curlietailz]

I reckon splitting a larger block into smaller block is perfectly acceptable. In fact will probably increase the value as a 35 acre block is a bit big for one person unless they are a farmer. Lifestyle seeker, pony paddocker, “traveller” etc would all find 1-10 acres attractive and affordable

I reckon a track wouldneed Pp though

 

[curlietailz]

Are you concerned because you are a neighbour ?

 

[teslacoils]

Np. I'd consider a mettalled road to have a bound surface like tarmac on top. Yes that ought have pp.

*However*

Forestry, as other agriculture, has access to "permitted development" which allows certain things to be done in a less formal way. As this is a 35ac parcel, I believe putting in a foresrty roadway would fall under permitted development.

Whereas our resident planning expert? I cant tag them on my mobile.

Have you checked there hasn't been an application under "permitted development"? It would require not planning permission but "prior notification".

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

Np. I'd consider a mettalled road to have a bound surface like tarmac on top. Yes that ought have pp.

*However*

Forestry, as other agriculture, has access to "permitted development" which allows certain things to be done in a less formal way. As this is a 35ac parcel, I believe putting in a foresrty roadway would fall under permitted development.

Whereas our resident planning expert? I cant tag them on my mobile.

Have you checked there hasn't been an application under "permitted development"? It would require not planning permission but "prior notification".

no - i havent checked. can i do that on the council planning portal do you know?

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

Are you concerned because you are a neighbour ?

actually I'm asking for a friend!! The land is in an AONB and there are concerns about the impact on views and the traffic use.

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

no - i havent checked. can i do that on the council planning portal do you know?

just checked on the planning portal and no applications on this piece of land have been dealt with

 

[Kidds]

is that because of change of use - or is it always necessary to apply for pp to put a road across your field?

More to do with "Building operations", it is the construction of the road rather than change of use that requires planning. Even permitted development where it applies must go through the planning system.

 

[teslacoils]

actually I'm asking for a friend!! The land is in an AONB and there are concerns about the impact on views and the traffic use.

Aaaah, these things make a biiiiiig difference. AFAIK no permitted development in aobn.

You'd be surprised how much traffic needs to be generated to cause a concern. Ditto views. Tip: keep powder dry. In all matters of planning, there's always the chance the owner might get sick of engaging and sell it for a traveller site.

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

Aaaah, these things make a biiiiiig difference. AFAIK no permitted development in aobn.

You'd be surprised how much traffic needs to be generated to cause a concern. Ditto views. Tip: keep powder dry. In all matters of planning, there's always the chance the owner might get sick of engaging and sell it for a traveller site.

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

what does 'keep powder dry' mean?!

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

what does 'keep powder dry' mean?!

looked it up - thanks - new phrase to me

 

[teslacoils]

what does 'keep powder dry' mean?!

It means planning and land use is very emotive. And those who have strong opinions on what should occur on other people's land should take care when thinking aloud in public.

The planning process allows for many, many things. Folk often don't "like" what other people do to their land. But from experience any dislike needs to be put in correct planning terms. Excess traffic? A single track road can easily take 90 articulated lorry journeys a day. Views, while emotive, are not going to cut it unless it's a view of St Paul's etc.

The last thing anyone needs is a parish council or social media excitement based on our forum advice (I'm merely a farmer). But be assured that if it's not right, the planning authority will sort it out.

Hopefully we've been some use. But wait until @George from SJM Planning has had a look.

 

[Olivia Eveleigh]

It means planning and land use is very emotive. And those who have strong opinions on what should occur on other people's land should take care when thinking aloud in public.

The planning process allows for many, many things. Folk often don't "like" what other people do to their land. But from experience any dislike needs to be put in correct planning terms. Excess traffic? A single track road can easily take 90 articulated lorry journeys a day. Views, while emotive, are not going to cut it unless it's a view of St Paul's etc.

The last thing anyone needs is a parish council or social media excitement based on our forum advice (I'm merely a farmer). But be assured that if it's not right, the planning authority will sort it out.

Hopefully we've been some use. But wait until @George from SJM Planning has had a look.

thankyou. I understand entirely.

 

[Kidds]

But be assured that if it's not right, the planning authority will sort it out.

You have more confidence in them than me!