Price of breeding stock?

[NorthumbrianFarmer]

So I’m needing to get a rough value of all my stock for the bank. Only things I’m struggling with as I’ve never sold or bought at that age is the price of my cows and heifers with calves at foot?

they are all blue x dairy cows and heifers with good shapey 2 month old lim calves on them. What are they worth through the ring at the moment?

 

[som farmer]

chap on u'tube, bought simx in calf cows at £2,500, and £3,100, which l thought somewhat over priced.

there again, look at the cull price, that's high, good calf worth very strong money.

 

[NorthumbrianFarmer]

chap on u'tube, bought simx in calf cows at £2,500, and £3,100, which l thought somewhat over priced.

there again, look at the cull price, that's high, good calf worth very strong money.

In my head I had thought the heifers would be £2500 with calf’s and the cows £2000 so I wouldn’t be too far off then

 

[M-J-G]

For a mixed age herd I'd be saying 2500 to 3k depending on quality and health status.
Strong cast cows are well up the teens and a shapy 2 month old calf has to be worth 500, so less than that isn't realistic.

 

[NorthumbrianFarmer]

For a mixed age herd I'd be saying 2500 to 3k depending on quality and health status.
Strong cast cows are well up the teens and a shapy 2 month old calf has to be worth 500, so less than that isn't realistic.

I’ve got 18 heifers in total this year so they might be more nearer the 3000 mark for them

 

[andybk]

was told by my accountant , to value all my stock at cull / finished price for tax , any value due to pedigree or feeding is very subjective and can change in a short period of time .But if you need to value to secure against a loan etc that could be enhanced with-in reason

 

[Optimus]

Just bought some cows paid £1600 for the cows in calf. An £2000 for cows with 3/4 month old calf.

 

[Whitepeak]

I used the TB valuations table for my year end accounts

 

[belac]

I used the TB valuations table for my year end accounts

Very sensible

 

[tr250]

These prices of 2500 to 3000 is what they ought to be worth. But is anyone paying it? Four cows and calves for 10 grand it would make your eyes water starting up a herd

 

[harperfarmer]

These prices of 2500 to 3000 is what they ought to be worth. But is anyone paying it? Four cows and calves for 10 grand it would make your eyes water starting up a herd

Hereford's spring breeding sales have been at those values for well grown first calved Lim x dairy and Blue x dairy heifers for the last 2 or 3 years.

 

[livestock 1]

Depends what you need to borrow

 

[som farmer]

just wonder how youngsters ever start off in farming, off their own backs
the amounts of money required is mind boggling.

 

[unlacedgecko]

just wonder how youngsters ever start off in farming, off their own backs
the amounts of money required is mind boggling.

Buy other people's rubbish and breed up.

5yrs ago we started with £10k of draft Shetlands.

 

[Samcowman]

just wonder how youngsters ever start off in farming, off their own backs
the amounts of money required is mind boggling.

Don’t go into sucklers and if you need sucklers starting with these big money outfits is a poor return. We certainly haven’t.

 

[Hill Ground]

just wonder how youngsters ever start off in farming, off their own backs
the amounts of money required is mind boggling.

With sheep not cattle.

Need far less infrastructure, truck, trailer, few hurdles, half decent dog, pokey little shed for a few lambing pens and to keep it all in and your away.

 

[som farmer]

Buy other people's rubbish and breed up.

5yrs ago we started with £10k of draft Shetlands.

when we restarted milking, our milk contract was with a small local cheesemaker.

not worried about cell count, or to a large extent, bactoscan - it had to be really bad.

so we started with our beef suckler hfrs, 3/4 cows, higher cell count etc, plus a few good ones, and gradually built up from there. Then moved to a 'proper' firm, by then, cc well under control, bacto could be a bit iffy, at times. A lot of the cows were sub £400, we traded our suckler herd to buy them. Put the parlour in, used, bulk tank, for £5,000, step-up, built all the shuttering ourselves. Been replaced since.

similar with sheep, way back, used to buy odd singles, most of them proved to be expert breakers. One learns the hard way, that was a lesson well learnt.

But, you can't have everything to start off with. I hit the BSE crisis, and quota problems, and an accident, forced me to sell originally. Literally started off again, with a nil bank balance, wheeled and dealed, and got going again, but l had the tenancy, job to find the rent, at times !

we used to buy a lot of mid/late/dry cows, cheap, calve down, and sell fresh, supplied one chap, with 53, to start his herd, £1,000 head. Today, that would be £1700, minimum, he picked the best out of 270.

been asked now, if we could supply numbers, to 2 new dairy tenants, we couldn't. I got there in the end, but it was bloody hard work, and very difficult cash flow management, all done on a £5,000 overdraft.

 

[som farmer]

Don’t go into sucklers and if you need sucklers starting with these big money outfits is a poor return. We certainly haven’t.

seeing the price of store cattle, does that alter the costing of sucklers to profit ? And, if we did/do move into them, l certainly wouldn't want great big cows !

decent AAx, not to big, would be our choice. The money should be spent on the bull, you can get a good calf, from a 'bad' cow, but you can't get a good calf, from a bad cow, and a bad bull.

aiming to have a lot of AAX hfrs, ready to bull, or stores, when the SFI scheme goes down the pan, reduced beef breeding herd, reckon the dairy herd will shrink as well, SFI encourages less production, cow methane is killing the planet . Reckon there will be a demand for cattle again, those that have them for sale, can cash in.

but we find our stirk trade nicely profitable, so that will grow.

 

[Jockers84]

just wonder how youngsters ever start off in farming, off their own backs
the amounts of money required is mind boggling.

It’s a never ending task, need to be a special sort of stupid , certainly in my case with no land to inherit or family connections in the industry to help smooth access to established networks. Only live once though, got to do what makes you happy.

 

[Happy]

With sheep not cattle.

Need far less infrastructure, truck, trailer, few hurdles, half decent dog, pokey little shed for a few lambing pens and to keep it all in and your away.

And what do most of them do once they’ve done the hard bit in making a success of things?……………………….

Go & buy bloody cattle