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Hill land has been stagnant for the last few years. Some report a drop of around 4% not sure if inflation is in the equation
I did get told that there’s a lot of pension and insurance money involved with land investmentHigh land and property prices will continue simply because that is what the UK economy and Banking system is based on.
Never confuse price with worth
Sometimes hear that but where is it? Anyone know of any land owned by pension/insurance companies? We all know who owns what around us but I've never heard of anyone renting land off a pension fundI did get told that there’s a lot of pension and insurance money involved with land investment
The problem is convincing non farming connected people , that what you say is true.clearly both have money to invest - they will not be funding land purchase from farming ...... not even close !
There may not be more land being made but if our Government continue down this route of making profitable farming impossible then it seems inevitable there actually will be a lot more land being made, not physically but in terms of availability... increased supply, reduced demand, lower prices, its basic economics...There not making anymore and a fair bits going to be covered in trees so i cant see prices dropping
There will be more factors at play than value possibly??There may not be more land being made but if our Government continue down this route of making profitable farming impossible then it seems inevitable there actually will be a lot more land being made, not physically but in terms of availability... increased supply, reduced demand, lower prices, its basic economics...
I thought they sold it off in the 80'sSometimes hear that but where is it? Anyone know of any land owned by pension/insurance companies? We all know who owns what around us but I've never heard of anyone renting land off a pension fund
Plenty of profitable farmers about looking to expand, take the farm mentioned earlier in the thread by @Hfd Cattle , 3 farmers bidding and now 2 waiting in the wings to buy the next good farm on the marketThere may not be more land being made but if our Government continue down this route of making profitable farming impossible then it seems inevitable there actually will be a lot more land being made, not physically but in terms of availability... increased supply, reduced demand, lower prices, its basic economics...
Sometimes hear that but where is it? Anyone know of any land owned by pension/insurance companies? We all know who owns what around us but I've never heard of anyone renting land off a pension fund
Where in the country is woodland making £8K acre?Woodland is now making up to 8K per acre. Can't see farmland dropping much.
Online land registry search fails to name current owners/buyers on farms like these so perhaps you are correct.There are certainly some. Ownership can often be more opaque that you think, its often hard to find out who really owns the assets in farms that operate as limited companies... Farm businesses that holds the land are rarely named after the pension fund that has invested £5million into that farming company... You may think you know who own the big farms around you but perhaps 90% of the equity in the company is actually not their own money!
This may be outdated.. but one example "The CERN pension fund owns a 664 ha farm in the UK, near Cambridge, and, through a limited partnership established by Craigmore Farming"
That is true, for now, but will be fewer profitable farmers with the abolition of farm subs, abolition of red diesel, increased, potential loss of EU export markets if tariffs are applied, cheaper imports if import barriers are reduced etc etc... The key is those buyers you mention are looking to buy the next good farm... the price gap between good farms and more difficult, less productive farms is going to widen out.Plenty of profitable farmers about looking to expand, take the farm mentioned earlier in the thread by @Hfd Cattle , 3 farmers bidding and now 2 waiting in the wings to buy the next good farm on the market
There is no perhaps about it. Any limited company can have pension funds as share holders and you would probably never know.Online land registry search fails to name current owners/buyers on farms like these so perhaps you are correct.
Land values are linked to farming, if farming ceases to be profitable for a good percentage of farmers we will see a lot more land on the market with fewer potential buyers. Especially with the safety net of bps removed. So land price is likely to drop slightly in the next 10 years due to basic supply and demand. I reckon.land values have nothing to do with farming
land ownership is investment, not trading
You will have to look quite hard to find the titled owners of Dysons land???There is no perhaps about it. Any limited company can have pension funds as share holders and you would probably never know.
What about , back in 2014 “Wellcome Trust buys Co-op farms for £249 million”, pharmaceutical profits.There are certainly some. Ownership can often be more opaque that you think, its often hard to find out who really owns the assets in farms that operate as limited companies... Farm businesses that holds the land are rarely named after the pension fund that has invested £5million into that farming company... You may think you know who own the big farms around you but perhaps 90% of the equity in the company is actually not their own money!
This may be outdated.. but one example "The CERN pension fund owns a 664 ha farm in the UK, near Cambridge, and, through a limited partnership established by Craigmore Farming"