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Electric car hypocrisy continues 😮
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Problems with the green agenda
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Perhaps @Clive can disprove this?Electric car hypocrisy continues 😮 | By Don't Go Cold on CoalFacebook
Electric car hypocrisy continues 😮
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Interesting video, interesting perspective to be fair I think he right
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Understanding cobalt’s human cost
After studying how cobalt mining affects communities in Democratic Republic of the Congo, researchers call for more data into how emerging tech affects health and livelihoods.
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But if it takes more energy to mine those recyclable materials than to burn direct there is no benefit to anyone but a few businesses, they don't care about the environmentwell i would suggest mining recyclable materials is rather different to mining stuff you burn that warms our climate unsustainably
……..just another bought politician
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And then you have the cost of extracting and recycling those materials. Oh and don't forget transportation to the factories for manufacturing in a fossil fuel burning HGV
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Electric car hypocrisy continues 😮
Hydrocarbons 34.7 billion tonnes
Iron ore 4.6 billion tonnes
Bauxite 289 million tones
Phosphate 276 million tonnes
Lithium... 130,000 tonnes, potentially to rise to 3 million to meet demand in the future.
It's really not a sound argument to argue for fossil fuels on the basis of less mining.... that is a nonsense.
That said... EVs are not environmentally sound, just a bit less worse.
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Out of sight out of mind .
If you don't need to comply with our HSE, rules, regs, pay, conditions etc etc they can do what they like, and their the Countries knackering the World?
Cab-over Pete
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Hardly anyone REALLY cares about the environment. If they did, nobody would ever have children and keep making all the problems worse.
If we fizzled out as a species the planet would do exactly what it wants to and if it’s all too late and heading for total oblivion there isn’t another species with the brain power to worry about it anyway.
Plus, we are the only species that uses money, so as always, just follow that trail.
you mine material for batteries once so your investing in future sustainability rather than just keeping on burning stuff
electricity is our future, once you have the ability to catch and store it you have infinite clean energy falling out the sky, sea and wind for free
no one will change behaviour and frankly why the hell should they ?
stop flying ? …….. a farmer will say yes its not necessary BUT others will say so is eating meat
Mankind shouldn’t stop doing things it wants to it should use its brain to find solutions to continue doing the brilliant job its been doing of extending life expectancy, reducing poverty and making life more interesting / easier than its ever been in our history
solutions will be technology that cleans our air, it will need clean power to run it, that will likely be electric
abstinence is NOT a realistic (or even smart) solution
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And what about the environment impact of end of life for these batteries.Turbines and panels....Slightly gigantic fecking
That the world is avoiding atm.And what about the environment impact of end of life for these batteries.Turbines and panels....Slightly gigantic fecking
recycle them, they will become very valuable so it where its not being done now it will in the future
you can’t recycle coal or oil that’s for sure
Even if you can't recycle them (which is surely going to be an inevitable just like we recycle lead-acid batteries, anything iron and copper) it really is still trivial compared to the environmental impact of fossil fuels.And what about the environment impact of end of life for these batteries.Turbines and panels....Slightly gigantic fecking
Sheep
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I was at an open cast coal mine today. One of 23 in the area (15-20 are now lakes), this will be the largest artificial lake in Germany at some point.
Conveyors run it straight to the power station (miles of conveyors). The power station created a huge cloud over the area.
Quite eye opening really. I have no doubt mining for battery's etc will have a similar impact, but looking at this certainly makes you question what's currently happening.
Can't say I do or don't support electric cars, but I do support better transport infrastructure, and better attitudes toward it. There are only three buses per day from my local town of 1000, and it's a twisty B road to the nearest 'big town', taking 20 minutes to do 6 miles. Switzerland would have one every half hour, and probably rail doing it in sub 10 mins.
Simply banning ICE cars isn't the way to do it.
Conveyors run it straight to the power station (miles of conveyors). The power station created a huge cloud over the area.
Quite eye opening really. I have no doubt mining for battery's etc will have a similar impact, but looking at this certainly makes you question what's currently happening.
Can't say I do or don't support electric cars, but I do support better transport infrastructure, and better attitudes toward it. There are only three buses per day from my local town of 1000, and it's a twisty B road to the nearest 'big town', taking 20 minutes to do 6 miles. Switzerland would have one every half hour, and probably rail doing it in sub 10 mins.
Simply banning ICE cars isn't the way to do it.
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Being a mining engineer in my past life I've seen the scale of some of the mining operations that extract our natural resources. Have you any idea of the scale of a mining operation that would extract 130k tonnes of lithium? You can't dig it off a face like coal or pump it out of the ground like oil it takes alot of energy water and chemicals. Whilst your at it check out how cobalt is mined in Africa.
Please tell where you think we will find the copper and all the other metals in the tonnages we need and how long it takes to open a new mine and the mind boggling cost to do this both financial and environmental.
current battery technology and material needs is merely a means to an end - next gen will likely need different resources
in fact i read that saline battery tech is developing fast ……… we have plenty of sea water
like any change it has to start somewhere
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What casings do they use for all these batteries? Plastic? What is that a by product of....