"Project fear" proven right....GOVERNMENT WASTES NO TIME IN SHUTTING DOWN UK FARMS!!!!

[egbert]

How is a sheep that is just left on a hill for a year worth £11 per kg? I wish my industry had subsidies. It doesn’t. I’m getting made redundant.

I'm really sorry you're being made redundant, although on the upside, builders with any integrity I deal with are flat out.
Perhaps you could go self employed...there's a world of work out there need doing.

As has been pointed out, the £11/kg you see in the shops is the retail price, and doesn't represent what we get for lamb.
Although if you think it is...go right ahead, rent a farm, buy a few hundred ewes (and I think £11/kg would buy you some pretty darn good ones! I'll sell you some almost as good for just half of that) ...no worries.

 

[neilo]

And I bet the price you charge is still way above the price of what used to be the low cost meat option

FYI (although I suspect it may be lost), the most recent text I had giving the average market price, was on Friday, with a price of 209 p/kg live weight. After dressing, waste, etc, the farmer will be getting around 430-440 p/kg deadweight for a lamb carcass.
That is a considerable jump on the situation last summer, when the price was roughly 75% of that, and not close to covering the costs of ‘letting them run round on the hill’.

The difference between that and your £11 is taken by the chain further up, from the processors, the distribution network, to the retailer’s costs & margin. No sheep farmer is getting rich I can assure you, even with subsidies!

 

[glasshouse]

The other thing to add is do the machinery companies need all the staff they have? I don’t think they should be training new salesmen with the internet how it is now. The older good salesmen are generally getting nearer to retirement. Rather than 5 they may need 1 very good experienced one rather than loads of people driving around dropping brochures off and drinking coffee.

Does anyone still do that?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

years ago someone put on here how many farmers went bust when they removed subs in NZ they also put on how many associated businesses went out of business, I think some are in for a nasty shock

Doesn't matter how much you water a sick plant, it will never become healthy... what is always forgotten is that "when subs went" there was an economic crash, loss of primary market and interest rates sent people bust - if they were extended.
IMO their subs could have stayed in place and similar economic carnage would have still followed in the supply chain

 

[glasshouse]

Doesn't matter how much you water a sick plant, it will never become healthy... what is always forgotten is that "when subs went" there was an economic crash, loss of primary market and interest rates sent people bust - if they were extended

Thats what boris is doing, a total crash

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Thats what boris is doing, a total crash

That's what the whole "let's mortgage the next 3 generations" world is about to find out?

It's an interestingly cyclical economy, the whole shebang is built on spending, whether the money is real or imagined it cannot go on much longer

 

[glasshouse]

Maggie thatcher got in in 79 with a similiar majority to boris
Within a year the economy wass in freefall.
Interest rates were ten percent of more . Unemployment was 3 m illion plus
It was only her masterstroke of pulling the warships out of the south atlantic that got her a second term.

 

[ollandroverman]

Thats what boris is doing, a total crash

You and I are looking at the same things and seeing very different outcomes.
Boris Johnson is no fool.

 

[Canada Farmer]

Maggie thatcher got in in 79 with a similiar majority to boris
Within a year the economy wass in freefall.
Interest rates were ten percent of more . Unemployment was 3 m illion plus
It was only her masterstroke of pulling the warships out of the south atlantic that got her a second term.

If the economy was in free fall, was that solely due to the government of the day or relative to unions unrealistic demands and industries incompetent management?
Oddly I was in the UK ,allegedly at the end of Thatcher being PM yet was amazed at how pathetically UK businesses were being run.

 

[Ukjay]

For a section of farmers the only option to mitigate against the removal of subsidies would have been (and remains to be) to walk away from their holding.

But sadly, is that not the same for other things in today's world - it is not only this industry affected?

Times have changed, been changing for decades, some would say humanity is evolving (I'm on the fence on that one) - whereby if something is not viable - it is often deemed that it cannot continue on the basis it needs propping up forever, no matter how anyone got into the situation.

Look how many businesses are folding in towns etc due to lower foot traffic, larger shopping parks being generated for laziness on people's front (they can get everything in one location), cheaper imports etc etc..

So let's be honest now, are all the Farmers flooding to save the highstreet - no they aren't, so why therefore, is it expected to be a continue as normal ideology for running a questionable business model in agriculture, if the maths do not stack up - they simply do not stack up unfortunately.

It is with this, that some will need to face up to the stark horrible reality that the business world is changing faster each year, it is more cut throat than it used to be - and the big elephant in the room is: your consumers only care for themselves more and more each year...

We are going to have to diversify better in a market full of pitfalls and more affordable opportunities from abroad, re-skill ourselves or fail or be replaced...

 

[Ukjay]

If the economy was in free fall, was that solely due to the government of the day or relative to unions unrealistic demands and industries incompetent management?
Oddly I was in the UK ,allegedly at the end of Thatcher being PM yet was amazed at how pathetically UK businesses were being run.

Unfortunately, nail on the head there. Too many greedy buggars running businesses + too many militant unions fighting created one almighty broiling pot of destruction.

Whilst we have less militant unions today, the greed part is like an insatiable drug, pushing and driving us down each and every year, and at the same time - making us even more intolerant towards each other.

 

[glasshouse]

By b

If the economy was in free fall, was that solely due to the government of the day or relative to unions unrealistic demands and industries incompetent management?
Oddly I was in the UK ,allegedly at the end of Thatcher being PM yet was amazed at how pathetically UK businesses were being run.

chiefly the economic mismanagement by govt to increase interest rates and strangle themoney supply to bring down inflation .
And the baby went out with the bath water.
Businesses which had borrowed to modernise were stuffed.

 

[Tarw Coch]

That's what the whole "let's mortgage the next 3 generations" world is about to find out?

It's an interestingly cyclical economy, the whole shebang is built on spending, whether the money is real or imagined it cannot go on much longer

I do wonder how much longer it can carry on myself but it doesn’t appear too many others are.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Thats what boris is doing, a total crash

Why did everyone vote him in then?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I do wonder how much longer it can carry on myself but it doesn’t appear too many others are.

There is an awful lot to lose, if the global economy does go bang, so there is a certain amount of security in that.
Here the lending rates are around the 5% mark, now.... imagine just how many people "go homeless" for every % it rises, thus, the government 'cannot let that happen'

What happens when it cannot be controlled anymore? We may live to find out

 

[glasshouse]

Why did everyone vote him in then?

Stupidity, and because labour screwed up

 

[glasshouse]

You and I are looking at the same things and seeing very different outcomes.
Boris Johnson is no fool.

We will see
What about the garden bridge? That woman he condemned to jail in Iran?
He is all wind and pish
An etonian trait.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Stupidity, and because labour screwed up

Lot of stupid people then, to give him that majority

We will have to wait and see

 

[neilo]

Why did everyone vote him in then?

Because the electorate were persuaded that the alternative was a worse option. It’s more a measure of how out of touch Corbyn’s Labour were (& still are).

 

[glasshouse]

Lot of stupid people then, to give him that majority

We will have to wait and see

Voters are not known for their intelligence
They generally believe the tripe peddled in the red top papers and the broadsheets too
Both are owned by billionaires with an agenda.
Boris won because everybody was sick of brexit
Not because they were sick of the peu or thought he was any good
Labour were too busy stabbing each other, aided by the billionaire press who demonised corbyn from day one
I wonder why