Rat poison legislation

[Grassman]

How is everyone going on with buying rat poison?
I got a leaflet from Mole Valley saying they do a free four hour course online which enables you to take a Lantra approved exam costing £50.
This will enable you to buy poison.
I can see a lot of people not doing it and getting overrun with rats!

 

[ladycrofter]

Had a quick look at the regulations and it says a license is needed for "professional packs" of rodenticide. What does that mean?

 

[lim x]

I think you can buy up to 1.5 kilo without regulation.
We are not FA and I'm not doing the exam. It's a farce, I could do as much damage with 1.5 kilo as 25. Its just another scam to get money out of us. I'm well stocked up for now, but will just keep buying 1.5 each time we're in Mole Valley/Countrywide.

 

[JCMaloney]

http://www.ahdb.org.uk/projects/RodentControlHub.aspx

Has a free course about "rodent control" and some blurb...
Options for farmers

In readiness, farmers have four options, all designed to ensure biosecurity and food safety, to be ready for using "stewardship label" rodenticides on their premises:

• Possession of a certificate from an approved training programme and awarding organisation confirming professional competence (see training routes diagram below)
• Employment of a professional pest control contractor which employs technicians themselves in possession of such approved certificates
• Membership of a UK farm assurance scheme which has among its standards a structured, documented and audited programme of rodent pest management. See www.thinkwildlife.org for an up-to-date list of acceptable farm assurance schemes. Please note that this is an interim measure, which will cease after December 2017 unless the assurance schemes in question bring their standards fully in line with the CRRU Code of Best practice. The schemes are:
• Red Tractor Farm Assurance - Beef and Lamb, Dairy, Crops, Fresh Produce, Pigs, Poultry
• Quality Meat Scotland ? Cattle & Sheep, Pigs
• Farm Assured Welsh Livestock - Beef & Lamb
• Scottish Quality Crops
• Northern lreland Farm Quality Assurance Scheme - Beef and Lamb, Cereals
• British Egg Industry Council Code of Practice for Lion Eggs
• Duck Assurance Scheme (Breeder Replacement, Breeder Layers, Hatcheries, Table Birds, Free-Range Table Birds)
• Agricultural Industries Confederation (Compound Feeds, Combinable Crops and Animal Feeds)
• The purchase and use of amateur rodenticide products (which refers to pack sizes of up to 1.5kg)

 

[JCMaloney]

I think you can buy up to 1.5 kilo without regulation.
We are not FA and I'm not doing the exam. It's a farce, I could do as much damage with 1.5 kilo as 25. Its just another scam to get money out of us. I'm well stocked up for now, but will just keep buying 1.5 each time we're in Mole Valley/Countrywide.

Got to agree with this. Its like reducing how many Paracetamol you can buy from a chemist to stop suicides, well if you want to top yourself you go to the next shop....then the next.

 

[lim x]

http://www.ahdb.org.uk/projects/RodentControlHub.aspx

Has a free course about "rodent control" and some blurb...
Options for farmers

In readiness, farmers have four options, all designed to ensure biosecurity and food safety, to be ready for using "stewardship label" rodenticides on their premises:

• Possession of a certificate from an approved training programme and awarding organisation confirming professional competence (see training routes diagram below)
• Employment of a professional pest control contractor which employs technicians themselves in possession of such approved certificates
• Membership of a UK farm assurance scheme which has among its standards a structured, documented and audited programme of rodent pest management. See www.thinkwildlife.org for an up-to-date list of acceptable farm assurance schemes. Please note that this is an interim measure, which will cease after December 2017 unless the assurance schemes in question bring their standards fully in line with the CRRU Code of Best practice. The schemes are:
• Red Tractor Farm Assurance - Beef and Lamb, Dairy, Crops, Fresh Produce, Pigs, Poultry
• Quality Meat Scotland ? Cattle & Sheep, Pigs
• Farm Assured Welsh Livestock - Beef & Lamb
• Scottish Quality Crops
• Northern lreland Farm Quality Assurance Scheme - Beef and Lamb, Cereals
• British Egg Industry Council Code of Practice for Lion Eggs
• Duck Assurance Scheme (Breeder Replacement, Breeder Layers, Hatcheries, Table Birds, Free-Range Table Birds)
• Agricultural Industries Confederation (Compound Feeds, Combinable Crops and Animal Feeds)
• The purchase and use of amateur rodenticide products (which refers to pack sizes of up to 1.5kg)

You took the words right out of my mouth

 

[IH 684]

Them four hours spent faffing about doing an on-line course would better spent tidying up sheds to prevent the rodents moving in.

 

[7610 super q]

1.5 kilo will probably last a winter here. So they can go themselves.
Edit.... Don't mind doing an online course, but I haven't done any exams since 1985. And I ain't starting again now.

Edit # 2....Tubs are 4kg....so I'll have to buy 3 x 1.5kg packs.

 

[Exfarmer]

Think you will see small pack prices rise rapidly

 

[multi power]

I bought a big bucket the other day, nobody said or asked anything

 

[deere66]

Seem to have been invaded this week, will have to go shopping and see what I can get

 

[Selectamatic]

I think it's cruel and inhumane that we kill rats and mice, they are part of nature's wide spectrum of diverse wildlife and should be nurtured and cherished.

Imagine how sad we would all be if they were eradicated so that future generations would grow up not knowing the splendour of living with such cute little animals...

 

[B&B Pig Man]

Had a quick look at the regulations and it says a license is needed for "professional packs" of rodenticide. What does that mean?

Anything over 1.5kg pack size is 'professional'.

Please don't have a go at us dealer parts staff for not being allowed to sell you it - it's not our fault, we don't make the rules!!
(I've had some real ear bashing already!!!).

 

[Roy_H]

I think you can buy up to 1.5 kilo without regulation.
We are not FA and I'm not doing the exam. It's a farce, I could do as much damage with 1.5 kilo as 25. Its just another scam to get money out of us. I'm well stocked up for now, but will just keep buying 1.5 each time we're in Mole Valley/Countrywide.

But surely it must be more expensive in the long run to keep buying small packs rather than buying one big bucket?

 

[lim x]

But surely it must be more expensive in the long run to keep buying small packs rather than buying one big bucket?

I don't care....this is my stand against ridiculous red tape and box ticking buncombe and makes me feel better.
If everyone else wants to 'cave' that's up to them.

 

[Robw54]

How is everyone going on with buying rat poison?
I got a leaflet from Mole Valley saying they do a free four hour course online which enables you to take a Lantra approved exam costing £50.
This will enable you to buy poison.
I can see a lot of people not doing it and getting overrun with rats!

I believe its 1.5Kg packs (and you can buy several at once) and that can clear a fair amount of the critters round your house.

3Kg be a winter here - how much are folk getting through?

 

[colhonk]

I think that monbot bloke should start a petition. Rewild the cities by stopping killing the cute rats.

 

[7610 super q]

I think it's cruel and inhumane that we kill rats and mice, they are part of nature's wide spectrum of diverse wildlife and should be nurtured and cherished.

Imagine how sad we would all be if they were eradicated so that future generations would grow up not knowing the splendour of living with such cute little animals...

So next time you find out those currants on your bun turn out to be rat droppings, you won't mind ?

 

[topground]

The Campaign for Responsible Rodenticide Use is run by the companies that supply bait in anticipation of or under threat that, unless the industry regulates itself then HSE will step in.
This is all on the back of some research that shows Second generation rodenticides are finding their way into raptors and Owls.
Without it would appear, demonstrating that the presence of those residues in Owl and raptor carcasses actually does them any harm. The carcasses examined it appears have been killed by other causes rather than Owls and Raptors being fed rat poison to see how much is needed for a lethal dose.
This is another example of controls being exercised over the activities of businesses including farms, by unelected organisations who extract a fee, in this case for their training, for the privelidge of buying their product, or in the case of Farm Assurance, selling your product to them.
It is a cop out for the government who don't have to take responsibility or deal with the costs of enforcement and so that politicians can claim that they are not adding more red tape to businesses.
Someone else is doing their dirty work for them and grabbing a nice little earner in the process.

 

[Selectamatic]

So next time you find out those currants on your bun turn out to be rat droppings, you won't mind ?

I dont like currants. We had a rabbit once...