Really early wheat drilling trial

[ajd132]

Following on from Andrew Howard’s article in direct driller (I think he’s on here but can’t remmeber his handle to tag him) I am going to do a 36m trial of early drilled wheat.
the trial area is post OSR, was chicken mucked then drilled with a catch crop of buckwheat linseed and sunflowers about 3 weeks ago.
When shall I drill, early sept?
Seed rate?
How do I control growth?
Do we need to pay particular attention to micronutrient and brix levels to control pest and disease?
Some history of BG but not too bad.
A Claydon hoe recently turned up in our yard.
Hopefully get a good discussion going here.
(I am putting the trial right in front of dads house)

 

[Badshot]

We used to start 4th September, Claire wheat, around 100kg/ha from memory.
Brill crops, Ruddy nightmare for blackgrass though, it's what got us in the sh!t first time round.
That and min till.
I'm in no rush to repeat the exercise.

 

[ajd132]

We used to start 4th September, Claire wheat, around 100kg/ha from memory.
Brill crops, Ruddy nightmare for blackgrass though, it's what got us in the sh!t first time round.
That and min till.
I'm in no rush to repeat the exercise.

I should really find a link to the article. I haven’t explained it very well. @Clive @Chris F can you add the link please

 

[Clive]

Following on from Andrew Howard’s article in direct driller (I think he’s on here but can’t remmeber his handle to tag him) I am going to do a 36m trial of early drilled wheat.
the trial area is post OSR, was chicken mucked then drilled with a catch crop of buckwheat linseed and sunflowers about 3 weeks ago.
When shall I drill, early sept?
Seed rate?
How do I control growth?
Do we need to pay particular attention to micronutrient and brix levels to control pest and disease?
Some history of BG but not too bad.
A Claydon hoe recently turned up in our yard.
Hopefully get a good discussion going here.
(I am putting the trial right in front of dads house)

we did a couple of years of august drilled wheat - it was all the rage (pushed heavily by Agrii). about 20 years ago

was fantastic for ag chem sales i reckon ! - several insecticide a couple of fungicides and herbicide all before christmas !

a supply agronomists wet dream !

 

[ajd132]

Farmer Focus: Andy Howard - Issuu

A few weeks ago I was really falling out of love with growing wheat. Like all difficult times you get the chance to re-assess what you do and I believe we need a complete re-think of wheat growing in the UK. Since my last article in the December edition it continued to rain, about 680mm between...

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[Humble Village Farmer]

Following on from Andrew Howard’s article in direct driller (I think he’s on here but can’t remmeber his handle to tag him) I am going to do a 36m trial of early drilled wheat.
the trial area is post OSR, was chicken mucked then drilled with a catch crop of buckwheat linseed and sunflowers about 3 weeks ago.
When shall I drill, early sept?
Seed rate?
How do I control growth?
Do we need to pay particular attention to micronutrient and brix levels to control pest and disease?
Some history of BG but not too bad.
A Claydon hoe recently turned up in our yard.
Hopefully get a good discussion going here.
(I am putting the trial right in front of dads house)

Would suggest grazing with sheep and maybe mixing with a few bl species which will die easily later on. Interesting idea though.

 

[Clive]

Farmer Focus: Andy Howard - Issuu

A few weeks ago I was really falling out of love with growing wheat. Like all difficult times you get the chance to re-assess what you do and I believe we need a complete re-think of wheat growing in the UK. Since my last article in the December edition it continued to rain, about 680mm between...

amp.issuu.com

top magazine that !

 

[Northern territory]

Different subject but Andrew ward had a good article in arable farming this month about blackgrass control on heavy soils. He is approaching the time when not even using a pre-em from a very heavy blackgrass burden. Combination of later drilling, hand rogueing and spring crops. He was now looking at best form of cultivation on his heaviest field.

 

[ajd132]

Different subject but Andrew ward had a good article in arable farming this month about blackgrass control on heavy soils. He is approaching the time when not even using a pre-em from a very heavy blackgrass burden. Combination of later drilling, hand rogueing and spring crops. He was now looking at best form of cultivation on his heaviest field.

He is also harvesting sub 5t/ha wheat this year!

 

[Hampton]

we did a couple of years of august drilled wheat - it was all the rage (pushed heavily by Agrii). about 20 years ago

was fantastic for ag chem sales i reckon ! - several insecticide a couple of fungicides and herbicide all before christmas !

a supply agronomists wet dream !

We did the same. Malacca drilled on 22nd August. Yielded well from what I remember, but it also coincided with a general movement to September drilling from the traditional mid October, and didn’t really do any better than mid-late September which seemed to be the optimal time.
We just drilled everything in September after that.

 

[Hesstondriver]

We used to start 4th September, Claire wheat, around 100kg/ha from memory.
Brill crops, Ruddy nightmare for blackgrass though, it's what got us in the sh!t first time round.
That and min till.
I'm in no rush to repeat the exercise.

i think you can do one or the other , drill early or min till . not both

 

[holmes65]

He is also harvesting sub 5t/ha wheat this year!

He wont be the only one doing that!

 

[ajd132]

He wont be the only one doing that!

To be fair I had a mauled in field that did less than that.
Anyway read the article attached as the whole idea is abit different to what was suggested in the past. Really quite interesting.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Drilling an ultra low seed rate in Early September?

Barley Yellow Dwarf Virus want's to know your location...

 

[ajd132]

Drilling an ultra low seed rate in Early September?

Barley Yellow Dwarf Virus want's to know your location...

But read the article. Nutrition, biology etc

 

[Hampton]

We did the same. Malacca drilled on 22nd August. Yielded well from what I remember, but it also coincided with a general movement to September drilling from the traditional mid October, and didn’t really do any better than mid-late September which seemed to be the optimal time.
We just drilled everything in September after that.

Think it was pushed by my fathers Mastock agronomist under their Smart farming banner

 

[SilliamWhale]

What's to gain? 14t ha? Unlikely.

Keep it simple. You can get 12t ha under your existing system and at least tipping the balance away from black grass germination not towards it

 

[Two Tone]

I can remember Velcourt doing it in the mid 90’s. Seed rate was 75kgs/ha drilled mid to late August. I think they stopped doing it that way after a couple of years.

It would have suited them well. If you were the manager and the sprayer wasn’t it action, you were in deep sh1t!

 

[AndrewB]

Slightly Different climate up here, NE Scotland.
We normally start drilling wheat the first week on September, usually Claire. It’s probably our best wheat this year, it got a pre em of Pdm, picolinafen, fluflenacet and slug pellets. Next spray was T0 at the beginning of April. Ploughed and combi sown.
still 3-4 weeks from harvest, it may be cut before it’s birthday.

 

[martian]

@Andy Howard