Record bean yields!

[Brisel]

Grow them cheap.

Agreed, but hard to do with a big broad leafed weed pressure. My spring beans had 3 l/ha PDM and 0.25 Centium pre em then 2 l/ha Troy (Basagran) + oil post em plus a graminicide.

Herbicides £77.61/ha
Fungicides £12.10/ha
Adjuvants £1.63/ha
Glyphosate pre drilling £7.63/ha
1 pass with Hallmark for pea & bean weevil £4.68/ha
Trace elements inc. phosphite for mildew £17.39/ha
Seed £138.59/ha farm saved but high seed rate for poor germination and late sowing
Rotational (more than this crop) P, K and Mg (kieserite for some sulphur + Fibrophos) £28.31/ha
Total variable costs £287.94/ha or nearly 2 t/ha of yield before they start paying fixed costs and rent.

I'll be harvesting them in the next week so will get an idea of yield and margin.

 

[bankrupt]

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I'll be harvesting them in the next week so will get an idea of yield and margin.

Hope they'll all do you rather better than you expect, Brisel.

Is it still possible for you to distinguish, at this stage, the numbers between the ones you planted yourself and the ones you had done by an extra-farm mechanical force?

Might be quite interesting.

 

[Brisel]

Extra-farm mechanical force? WTF?

Do you mean the few fields I ploughed and got someone in with a power harrow combination instead of doing myself with my own Claydon? I will get yield maps & field totals, so yes, I can try stuff out & see how it did.

 

[bankrupt]

"Do you mean the few fields I ploughed and got someone in with a power harrow combination instead of doing myself with my own Claydon?"

Yes.


"I will get yield maps & field totals, so yes, I can try stuff out & see how it did."

Thank you.

 

[Flat 10]

My winter beans were grown on the cheap. FSS robust pre-em, cheap fungicide. Looked good all year. Nice population, encouraging pod set. However many empty pods (shrivelled seeds in some) and high combining losses despite morning and evening combining mean yields were almost half of normal. No money will be made from these.

 

[juke]

Agreed, but hard to do with a big broad leafed weed pressure. My spring beans had 3 l/ha PDM and 0.25 Centium pre em then 2 l/ha Troy (Basagran) + oil post em plus a graminicide.

Herbicides £77.61/ha
Fungicides £12.10/ha
Adjuvants £1.63/ha
Glyphosate pre drilling £7.63/ha
1 pass with Hallmark for pea & bean weevil £4.68/ha
Trace elements inc. phosphite for mildew £17.39/ha
Seed £138.59/ha farm saved but high seed rate for poor germination and late sowing
Rotational (more than this crop) P, K and Mg (kieserite for some sulphur + Fibrophos) £28.31/ha
Total variable costs £287.94/ha or nearly 2 t/ha of yield before they start paying fixed costs and rent.

I'll be harvesting them in the next week so will get an idea of yield and margin.

Is there a cash value associated on getting a good first wheat after beans ?

 

[Renaultman]

Saw some spring beans this week not sure when planted, green as grass and not more than 18 inches tall most pods very close to ground

Were you at Darlington? Sounds like mine

 

[Brisel]

Is there a cash value associated on getting a good first wheat after beans ?

Yes, though hard to quantify. Less slugs than after osr and more autumn vigour from the residual N but that’s more than outweighed by the higher margin from osr

 

[DrWazzock]

I remember in 1976 my father growing Maris Bead spring beans.They had zero rainfall from planting to harvest and yielded 5 cwt/acre.625 kgs/ha for our younger members.They were sold direct to a racing pigeon club,i can't remember for how much but it was a fortune compared to previous years.

I remember as a lad of 6 or 7 I used walk off up to the bean field and eat Maris Bead beans straight out of the pods. I loved the taste of them. Kind of bitter but nutty.

 

[DRC]

I've concluded that continous wheat will be more profitable over the years than messing about with beans or the dreaded yellow weed, for me. Even if I dont hit the top yields , it's better than loosing money on break crops.

 

[Flat 10]

Is there a cash value associated on getting a good first wheat after beans ?

Er yes

 

[juke]

Er yes

what is it then ?

 

[Steevo]

I've concluded that continous wheat will be more profitable over the years than messing about with beans or the dreaded yellow weed, for me. Even if I dont hit the top yields , it's better than loosing money on break crops.

Nobody round you want to use land for maize or grass?
Break crops can make or break arable farming.

 

[chipchap]

Is there a cash value associated on getting a good first wheat after beans ?

Farmers are in my experience very good at justifying what they are doing with all sorts of spurious arguments

 

[Steevo]

Farmers are in my experience very good at justifying what they are doing with all sorts of spurious arguments

Humans, not just farmers.

Decide first. Rationalise it after.

 

[DrWazzock]

I've concluded that continous wheat will be more profitable over the years than messing about with beans or the dreaded yellow weed, for me. Even if I dont hit the top yields , it's better than loosing money on break crops.

If it works then stick with it. We'd go down with Take All here and gradually build up blackgrass, though I'm told modern seed dressings would control the take all but haven't risked it after a second wheat disaster a few years back. I was also told that take all burns itself out after a few years continuous wheat but haven't deep enough pockets to find out. Light land here anyway doesn't really suit wheat.

I agree with your view on beans and haven't grown them for quite a few years. It's all very well having an idealist view of a good rotation but if it doesn't deliver then what's the point.

 

[Flat 10]

what is it then ?

It’s whatever extra yield you get plus whatever inputs you save v a second or continuous wheat.

 

[juke]

It’s whatever extra yield you get plus whatever inputs you save v a second or continuous wheat.

so the extra yield of wheat, free companion and also the little bit of nitrogen put against the beans. the likely extra grass weed control in the following first wheat put that down against the wheat?
that has to be the way to look at it doesn't it ? makes beans worth an extra 190 quid an acre with this outlook

 

[Flat 10]

It’s whatever extra yield you get plus whatever inputs you save v a second or continuous wheat.

I hope this answers your question, I thought you were taking the pee

 

[Flat 10]

so the extra yield of wheat, free companion and also the little bit of nitrogen put against the beans. the likely extra grass weed control in the following first wheat put that down against the wheat?
that has to be the way to look at it doesn't it ? makes beans worth an extra 190 quid an acre with this outlook

Broadly yes. Though I think I save money on grass weed control v a second wheat