Red Tractor lies again

[Steevo]

TFF views make little difference to me / us as I've said before we sell less than 10% of the advertising we have available in age views so would only need to bump things up if traffic dropped by 90%

My shouting about RT / NFU actually does us harm commercially as it divides opinion, I post about the issues I genuinely care about, that's why I started TFF, simply so myself and others in this industry had a voice - I don't give a stuff about the commercials over that (much to the dismay of others involved running TFF quite often).

I like people with clear values who say it how it is.

Authenticity is worth a lot.

 

[Steevo]

……and it means all the more when it is chosen at the detriment of direct personal gain!

 

[Clive]

……and it means all the more when it is chosen at the detriment of direct personal gain!

trust me, I would be a LOT better off if i shut my mouth on a number of subjects and was a little “nicer” to certain people

but where’s the point in that, life isn’t just about the £’s and i have what i really need in life pretty much

what I really want is to help make a difference to my industry

 

[Old apprentice]

Makes logical sense.

But.....RT is now verging into non-law areas:

HSE Policy - businesses of less than 5 employees don't require a written one. Red Tractor do.
Coated urea - UK law allows the spreading of unprotected urea whenever. Red Tractor only allow it 15th Jan - 15th March.

Is the date of 15 march what rt, use as cut of date gov, say 31 march?

 

[Tarw Coch]

For some of us small guys, the RT saga is an important issue.
Not so much, for the big chaps with new grain stores, and employing managers/ secretaries.
Not so much for the supermarkets who have a " Traceable " farm to fork assurance scheme......wait for it......paid for by the lowest link in the chain......farmers.
Not so much for the NFU, another nail in the coffin for small fry, and more chance to gobble up neighbours who throw in the towel.

I know conspiracy theories are mocked, but I'm convinced there's a concerted effort in the industry to wipe small farmers off the face of the earth. Red Tractor being one of the tools.

Don’t know wether it’s a conspiracy or just the unintended consequences of their actions.
Not sure wether it matters which , the net effect is just the same

 

[wanton dwarf]

Inspectors and audits only see what they are shown - My grain store is to standard .......... yet I may have 3 more old stores at different locations that are not ........ so let's not mention them yet I still get my stickers !

Do other stores actually matter ?

The only thing that matters is the food stored in grain stores is done in a water, insect and vermin tight manner - that the products sold meets specification to the purchaser.

Which is done twice, once before the product is sold based on heap testing and then on each 29 tonne delivery (Supposedly).

RT inspectors are not arbitors of anything unless the farm has gone into disrepair - which let's face it no farmer can afford to do as all their produce will fail delivery. Perhaps there is a case for inspectors but as a cereals farmer I cannot think of one.

 

[tractorsandcows]

Tell me with English farmers now losing their farm payments how the heck are English livestock farmers supposed to compete with Scottish ones not losing theirs & receiving this additional help, English farmers are being crucified by an uncaring government compared with the EU & other regions.

40m-suckler-beef-payments-start-to-roll-in-scotland

And if you have a bull that now identifies as female you get twice the headage payment

 

[ajd132]

trust me, I would be a LOT better off if i shut my mouth on a number of subjects and was a little “nicer” to certain people

but where’s the point in that, life isn’t just about the £’s and i have what i really need in life pretty much

what I really want is to help make a difference to my industry

if you shut up and behaved like a nice little NFU drone, with starting TFF etc you would have won numerous industry achievement awards, have loads of sponsors, free lunches everywhere. The genuine darling of UK agricultures establishment.

I genuinely believe you cause yourself far more harm commercially by being authentic and true to what you believe. keep going.

 

[Tarw Coch]

And if you have a bull that now identifies as female you get twice the headage payment

But no calves

 

[Lakes Nash]

Here’s our local paper today, bit of an ad, True or not so True?

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Here’s our local paper today, bit of an ad, True or not so True? View attachment 1102618

What rubbish

 

[Steevo]

Do other stores actually matter ?

The only thing that matters is the food stored in grain stores is done in a water, insect and vermin tight manner - that the products sold meets specification to the purchaser.

Which is done twice, once before the product is sold based on heap testing and then on each 29 tonne delivery (Supposedly).

RT inspectors are not arbitors of anything unless the farm has gone into disrepair - which let's face it no farmer can afford to do as all their produce will fail delivery. Perhaps there is a case for inspectors but as a cereals farmer I cannot think of one.

Anyone remember those plagues of mice on the news a couple of years back?

 

[Steevo]

Is the date of 15 march what rt, use as cut of date gov, say 31 march?

Red Tractor say end of March.

Government don’t stipulate anything as far as I am aware.


What I still cannot get my head around is why application prior to 15th January is not allowed. What makes 14th January more dangerous than 16th January?!

 

[Grass And Grain]

Oh don't get me wrong. I rail about the double standards of RT all the time and how they make up some rules only to suit a pre-ordained outcome (we've seen this with the latest NFU/RT urea thing) but as I say I'm not sure legally in this case unless the imported meat was labelled RT.

Then again this shows the need for separate packhouses for RT meat and for imported MT. Along with separate mills and processing facilities. Its what farms have to do

If RT had any continuity, they'd either insist packhouses were RT only produce, or they'd say farms could have some RT and some not. Looks like they've encumbered the weak farmers with the more stringent rules.

Mind, when grain, which has to be RT, gets to the mill, they mix it with non-assured, so seemingly no-one really cares. Begs the question how RT managed to get away with charging farmers for all these years.

 

[Steevo]

Perhaps it’s time to launch “Farmers Against Red Tractor Shenanigans”

Unfortunate acronym…..but I guess it’s memorable!

 

[gone up the hill]

Sara cox may be a nice lass and have farming connections but she just does not have the voice for TV adverts, she sounds bloody awefull on the RT advert..

But then the RT advert is so bad and the sort of advert that is aimed at primary school kids and not grown adults..

 

[wanton dwarf]

Oh don't get me wrong. I rail about the double standards of RT all the time and how they make up some rules only to suit a pre-ordained outcome (we've seen this with the latest NFU/RT urea thing) but as I say I'm not sure legally in this case unless the imported meat was labelled RT.

Then again this shows the need for separate packhouses for RT meat and for imported MT. Along with separate mills and processing facilities. Its what farms have to do

Seeing as Supermarkets are supposedly demanding assurance of food.

Isn't it time to take away the rights of those involved from using the UK flag and UK origin ?

If it is found that supermarkets are not testing the origin of food they have packaged - either directly or indirectly - as sourced from the UK then personally I think they have also lost the right to use those marketing tools.

UK producers are being undermined and IMHO own the rights to the UK brand. Importers can only benefit by abusing UK branding - it's an obvious oxymoron or contradiction in terms to allow importers to legally use UK branding.

 

[tullah]

Seeing as Supermarkets are supposedly demanding assurance of food.

Isn't it time to take away the rights of those involved from using the UK flag and UK origin ?

If it is found that supermarkets are not testing the origin of food they have packaged - either directly or indirectly - as sourced from the UK then personally I think they have also lost the right to use those marketing tools.

UK producers are being undermined and IMHO own the rights to the UK brand. Importers can only benefit by abusing UK branding - it's an obvious oxymoron or contradiction in terms to allow importers to legally use UK branding.

Chinese stuff now comes with "made in China" in the smallest of print.

 

[Bairdy]

Tell me with English farmers now losing their farm payments how the heck are English livestock farmers supposed to compete with Scottish ones not losing theirs & receiving this additional help, English farmers are being crucified by an uncaring government compared with the EU & other regions.

40m-suckler-beef-payments-start-to-roll-in-scotland

Its swings and roundabouts though...we are not getting the grants for all the shiny metal that you can apply for down South.

 

[kiwi pom]

TFF views make little difference to me / us as I've said before we sell less than 10% of the advertising we have available in page views so would only need to bump things up if traffic dropped by 90%

My shouting about RT / NFU actually does us harm commercially as it divides opinion, I post about the issues I genuinely care about, that's why I started TFF, simply so myself and others in this industry had a voice - I don't give a stuff about the commercials over that (much to the dismay of others involved running TFF quite often).

I just don't think you need a million threads on the same thing and your OP was a little misleading, because it wasn't what the add said.

Really, do you think that’s what this is about?
I’m curious as to what your motivation is?
Since you’re not even on the same side of the planet as us, it seems strange that you don’t just stroll past the nfu rt stuff if it annoys you so much.

Doesn't really bother me that much these days. I push back a little because I've seen and worked (in the UK) for some cowboys who cut corners and were basically cheats while claiming to be honest farmers. As a result of that I believe that there should be some sort of yearly audit/checks on those who produce food for others. Doesn't have to be RT because it obviously isn't working but there should be something.
It's not fair to the vast majority doing it the right way to have to compete with cheats and liars.